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KimchiNinja
Joined: 01 May 2012
Location: Gangnam
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 Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:34 pm Post subject: US genetically modified freak food |
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Dear United States,
Who exactly elected you masters of the Earth and the human food supply? You drink some beers, split some genes, create some atrocious Frankenstein foods, and then irresponsibly release them into nature! Once released into nature you can't control them. You're messing with billions of years of evolution based on some goofy science you don't fully understand. Heck, even the scientists say don't do it, but you shut them up, bought them off, and rush ahead to increase corporate profits.
Fast forward, it cannot be contained; it blows into the neighbors farm, it blows into Mexico (who didn't want it). The Korean didn�t want it, so you do strong arm negotiations "eat it or we will put an import tax on your cars". Europeans didn't want it. Americans don�t want it. Who wants it? Nobody wants it so you guys cook up this scam where it doesn't need to be labeled so you can sneak it into everyone's food. Cause it was invented, thus it has to be used, all to make the return on investment, even if the human race goes sterile from eating it.
Who was the genius that thought up this short-sighted scheme?
Discuss. I just found out my soy protein is US genetically modified junk sold here in KR but not labeled such. Basically I can't get away from the USA. Switching to rice protein since the entire planet's soy supply has been freaked out. Peace. |
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soomin
Joined: 18 Jun 2009
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 1:36 am Post subject: |
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Why don't you look for soy products made here? Also, you can go to Loving Hut because I'm pretty sure they don't use GMOs~
If you really want to be angry... read up on Monsanto. |
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12ax7
Joined: 07 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 4:23 am Post subject: |
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Simple question: why must diabetics inject insulin instead of ingesting it?
Find the answer to that question and you'll understand that the panic over GMO foods is much ado about nothing. |
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The Cosmic Hum
Joined: 09 May 2003
Location: Sonic Space
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| Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 9:07 am Post subject: |
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| 12ax7 wrote: |
Simple question: why must diabetics inject insulin instead of ingesting it?
Find the answer to that question and you'll understand that the panic over GMO foods is much ado about nothing. |
Say what?
Ingested insulin is destroyed by stomach acids and rendered useless to the diabetic.
What does that have to do with GMOs?
Please explain...would love to hear this one. |
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yodanole
Joined: 02 Mar 2003
Location: La Florida
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| Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 9:29 am Post subject: |
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If you don't like it, don't eat it. Simple enough.
Read the label before you buy it.
If you don't like what you read, don't buy it.
That will help with the whole "don't eat" thingy.
Now if those daft Americans would stop making summer so hot and winter so cold, damn them! |
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byrddogs
Joined: 19 Jun 2009
Location: Shanghai
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| Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 3:28 pm Post subject: Re: US genetically modified freak food |
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| KimchiNinja wrote: |
| Basically I can't get away from the USA. |
Just out of curiosity, are you an American citizen? |
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NYC_Gal 2.0
Joined: 10 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Your mistake is eating "soy protein." Buy some local tofu and quit complaining. |
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JustinC
Joined: 10 Mar 2012
Location: We Are The World!
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| Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Most foods are genetically modified, cross-pollination occurs and voila! |
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slothrop
Joined: 03 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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12ax7
Joined: 07 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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| The Cosmic Hum wrote: |
| 12ax7 wrote: |
Simple question: why must diabetics inject insulin instead of ingesting it?
Find the answer to that question and you'll understand that the panic over GMO foods is much ado about nothing. |
Say what?
Ingested insulin is destroyed by stomach acids and rendered useless to the diabetic.
What does that have to do with GMOs?
Please explain...would love to hear this one. |
Well, you seem to have, at the very least, a basic understanding of biochemistry. You should be able to figure this one out.
Hint: What do genes produce?
Second hint: What is insulin and why couldn't it enter the blood stream through the digestive system even if it wasn't broken down by enzymes?
Third hint: Does insulin retain its properties once it's been broken down by enzymes? |
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The Cosmic Hum
Joined: 09 May 2003
Location: Sonic Space
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| Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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| 12ax7 wrote: |
| The Cosmic Hum wrote: |
| 12ax7 wrote: |
Simple question: why must diabetics inject insulin instead of ingesting it?
Find the answer to that question and you'll understand that the panic over GMO foods is much ado about nothing. |
Say what?
Ingested insulin is destroyed by stomach acids and rendered useless to the diabetic.
What does that have to do with GMOs?
Please explain...would love to hear this one. |
Well, you seem to have, at the very least, a basic understanding of biochemistry. You should be able to figure this one out.
Hint: What do genes produce?
Second hint: What is insulin and why couldn't it enter the blood stream through the digestive system even if it wasn't broken down by enzymes?
Third hint: Does insulin retain its properties once it's been broken down by enzymes? |
hmm.
If you have something to say...please just say it.
I don't know if you intend to be condescending at this point...but. |
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NYC_Gal 2.0
Joined: 10 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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No, it doesn't retain it properties after coming into contact with stomach acid. It's a protein, and once denatured, it can't change back.
There was an inhaled form of insulin (Exubera) that was on the market for a little while, but taken off because of cost and dosing issues. It generally isn't taken orally because stomach acid destroys it. There are tablets, but their effectiveness rate is pretty minimal, which is why people bypass the whole GI tract and inject the insulin under the skin. |
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12ax7
Joined: 07 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 12:09 am Post subject: |
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| NYC_Gal 2.0 wrote: |
No, it doesn't retain it properties after coming into contact with stomach acid. It's a protein, and once denatured, it can't change back.
There was an inhaled form of insulin (Exubera) that was on the market for a little while, but taken off because of cost and dosing issues. It generally isn't taken orally because stomach acid destroys it. There are tablets, but their effectiveness rate is pretty minimal, which is why people bypass the whole GI tract and inject the insulin under the skin. |
That's pretty much it.
DNA is a map for the production of protein. It makes protein and nothing more. Adding a gene, or a couple, is not going to have a significant affect on the plant's structure, which means that, more likely than not, the differences between GMO food and non-GMO food are minimal, just a few proteins, which are digestible.
Let me explain...Proteins have different structures:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protein_structure#Levels_of_protein_structure
I won't go into the details of each, but for the sake of brevity, lets just say that if any of these structures are altered, the protein loses its properties. That is why albumin in an egg, which is normally soluble, becomes non-soluble when it is cooked and why (which is more important to the point I was making) milk curdles when you mix it with vinegar or lemon juice (which both contain acids, just like a stomach does). So, stomach acid denatures the protein, which means that it looses its properties because some of its structure as been altered (and therefore, it's no longer the same protein), which is a good thing because it helps digestion...but, I won't get into that. Getting back to my point....Proteins are huge molecules, too large to enter the blood stream in the digestive system. That's why the digestive system produces enzymes which cuts protein into chunks of amino acids. By the time your digestive system is done with a protein, there's nothing left of it but amino acids, which are safe to ingest.
In other words, our digestive system is pretty effective at making sure we don't get poisoned eating the wrong kind of protein.
So, really, the only unhealthy thing about GMO food is the stress that people are causing themselves over them.
Now, whether GMO food companies treat farmers ethically or not, that's another story. If people think a certain company is unethical in the way it treats farmers, they should stick to those facts instead of resorting to fear-mongering.
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12ax7
Joined: 07 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 12:22 am Post subject: |
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| The Cosmic Hum wrote: |
| 12ax7 wrote: |
| The Cosmic Hum wrote: |
| 12ax7 wrote: |
Simple question: why must diabetics inject insulin instead of ingesting it?
Find the answer to that question and you'll understand that the panic over GMO foods is much ado about nothing. |
Say what?
Ingested insulin is destroyed by stomach acids and rendered useless to the diabetic.
What does that have to do with GMOs?
Please explain...would love to hear this one. |
Well, you seem to have, at the very least, a basic understanding of biochemistry. You should be able to figure this one out.
Hint: What do genes produce?
Second hint: What is insulin and why couldn't it enter the blood stream through the digestive system even if it wasn't broken down by enzymes?
Third hint: Does insulin retain its properties once it's been broken down by enzymes? |
hmm.
If you have something to say...please just say it.
I don't know if you intend to be condescending at this point...but. |
Condescending? Nah. Seemed pretty obvious to me since I used to be a biochemist before I realized working with dangerous chemicals probably wasn't the healthiest career path for me. I guess I overestimated your understanding of physiology and biochemistry. My bad, no harm meant.
But... "Would love to hear this"...That sounds condescending. |
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NYC_Gal 2.0
Joined: 10 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 4:13 am Post subject: |
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| Just eat foods that your great grandparents would recognize. I mean, you're not going to get exactly what we evolved eating, but you can at least make an effort. Something labeled "soy protein" is not going to be as healthy as eating some organic heirloom beans or cage-free eggs (or just the white, depending on your view on yolks.) |
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