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Chinese Complain About Discrimination in Korea
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Kepler



Joined: 24 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 12:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

figshdg wrote:
Kepler wrote:

Actually, most Chinese migrants here have Korean ancestry.


Really? I have my doubts about most Chinese migrants having Korean ancestry. The ones on F visas aren't really migrants.....

There were 471,436 Korean Chinese compared to 216,893 other Chinese in 2011.
http://populargusts.blogspot.kr/2011/12/foreigners-make-up-3-of-koreas.html

F-4 visas are for Korean Americans. Korean Chinese don't qualify.
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figshdg



Joined: 01 May 2012

PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kepler wrote:
figshdg wrote:
Kepler wrote:

Actually, most Chinese migrants here have Korean ancestry.


Really? I have my doubts about most Chinese migrants having Korean ancestry. The ones on F visas aren't really migrants.....

There were 471,436 Korean Chinese compared to 216,893 other Chinese in 2011.
http://populargusts.blogspot.kr/2011/12/foreigners-make-up-3-of-koreas.html

F-4 visas are for Korean Americans. Korean Chinese don't qualify.

Fair enough, but your last point is wrong. F-4s are for ethnic Koreans, not just Korean Americans. Korean Chinese actually can claim F-4 visas. Also, that link doesn't say what visa those ethnic Korean Chinese have.
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krnpowr



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Location: Midwest, USA

PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

figshdg wrote:
Kepler wrote:
figshdg wrote:
Kepler wrote:

Actually, most Chinese migrants here have Korean ancestry.


Really? I have my doubts about most Chinese migrants having Korean ancestry. The ones on F visas aren't really migrants.....

There were 471,436 Korean Chinese compared to 216,893 other Chinese in 2011.
http://populargusts.blogspot.kr/2011/12/foreigners-make-up-3-of-koreas.html

F-4 visas are for Korean Americans. Korean Chinese don't qualify.

Fair enough, but your last point is wrong. F-4s are for ethnic Koreans, not just Korean Americans. Korean Chinese actually can claim F-4 visas. Also, that link doesn't say what visa those ethnic Korean Chinese have.


Wrong. F-4s are for Gyopos in North America, not certain about Aussies and Kiwis, but Joseon-Jok from China, and Goryo-Jok from Russia and the former Soviet Republics do NOT qualify for F-4s.

Essentially Koreans feel that Gyopos from N. America just have more to offer Korea, whether it be economic expertise or language skills.
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figshdg



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

krnpowr wrote:
figshdg wrote:
Kepler wrote:
figshdg wrote:
Kepler wrote:

Actually, most Chinese migrants here have Korean ancestry.


Really? I have my doubts about most Chinese migrants having Korean ancestry. The ones on F visas aren't really migrants.....

There were 471,436 Korean Chinese compared to 216,893 other Chinese in 2011.
http://populargusts.blogspot.kr/2011/12/foreigners-make-up-3-of-koreas.html

F-4 visas are for Korean Americans. Korean Chinese don't qualify.

Fair enough, but your last point is wrong. F-4s are for ethnic Koreans, not just Korean Americans. Korean Chinese actually can claim F-4 visas. Also, that link doesn't say what visa those ethnic Korean Chinese have.


Wrong. F-4s are for Gyopos in North America, not certain about Aussies and Kiwis, but Joseon-Jok from China, and Goryo-Jok from Russia and the former Soviet Republics do NOT qualify for F-4s.

Essentially Koreans feel that Gyopos from N. America just have more to offer Korea, whether it be economic expertise or language skills.


WRONG. Korean Embassy in the UK's website - http://gbr.mofat.go.kr/english/eu/gbr/visa/issuance/index.jsp - scroll down and open the F4 page. It's clearly directed at British gyopos. In fact, it even says people of Korean heritage. What does it not say? Korean Americans.

This article - http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2011/07/117_91886.html - shows that you're also wrong about ethnic Koreans in China not qualifying for F4s. It might be more difficult, but they do qualify.

Though this article - http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/national/2011/03/22/6/0302000000AEN20110322006200315F.HTML - suggest that most ethnic Korean Chinese enter on H2 visas. Anyone actually have a definitive list of visas broken down by nationality/ethnicity?
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byrddogs



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 11:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Weird that the Chinese in Shanghai could care less about whether you are H�ngu�, Měigu� de, Yīnggu� de, or whatever. We are all Laowai, but you really don't hear that nearly as much as you hear Waygook thrown around in the ROK.
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andrewchon



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 4:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's because in Shanghai there aren't any white-devils with specials priviliges. In Hong Kong before the hand-over the white-devils were deeply resented. Korea has the 8th Army.
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Squire



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

andrewchon wrote:
Koreans look down on Chinese for 2000 years of tyrany and subjugation by the Chinese. Every year Korea had to send men (women) and materials to China. China didn't need any but demanded tribute anyway. Then they sent back Chinese 'culture' as gift. Does this remind you of Soviet Union and its Eastern European satelites? Stalin demonstrated the principle this way. He got a chicken and plucked out all its feathers. Did the chicken run away? No, it cowered by Stalin's feet. That's what China's been doing for 2000 years to Korea. It'll tak more than a legislation for Korea to change their opinion of the Chinese.


That isn't a valid argument at all. You think ordinary Chinese people weren't oppressed by their governments?
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andrewchon



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 1:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Squire wrote:
andrewchon wrote:
Koreans look down on Chinese for 2000 years of tyrany and subjugation by the Chinese. Every year Korea had to send men (women) and materials to China. China didn't need any but demanded tribute anyway. Then they sent back Chinese 'culture' as gift. Does this remind you of Soviet Union and its Eastern European satelites? Stalin demonstrated the principle this way. He got a chicken and plucked out all its feathers. Did the chicken run away? No, it cowered by Stalin's feet. That's what China's been doing for 2000 years to Korea. It'll tak more than a legislation for Korea to change their opinion of the Chinese.


That isn't a valid argument at all. You think ordinary Chinese people weren't oppressed by their governments?


L'expandrez votre armument, s'il vous plait.
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12ax7



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 6:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

andrewchon wrote:
Squire wrote:
andrewchon wrote:
Koreans look down on Chinese for 2000 years of tyrany and subjugation by the Chinese. Every year Korea had to send men (women) and materials to China. China didn't need any but demanded tribute anyway. Then they sent back Chinese 'culture' as gift. Does this remind you of Soviet Union and its Eastern European satelites? Stalin demonstrated the principle this way. He got a chicken and plucked out all its feathers. Did the chicken run away? No, it cowered by Stalin's feet. That's what China's been doing for 2000 years to Korea. It'll tak more than a legislation for Korea to change their opinion of the Chinese.


That isn't a valid argument at all. You think ordinary Chinese people weren't oppressed by their governments?


L'expandrez votre armument, s'il vous plait.


The article is unnecessary, "expandrez" is not the correct verb for that sentence, and "armument" isn't a word. There's one more mistake, but bringing that up would be nitpicking.
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andrewchon



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 3:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pardon mon francaise comedie. I'm still waiting for Squire to explain his assertion. If you can't, then kindly remove your post.
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KimchiNinja



Joined: 01 May 2012
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cmon guys, the exact same thing happens in the United States and on a much larger scale.

Example A: I lived in this swanky condo and who cleans the building? Some poor Russian lady of course! Because no American wants that job. She said I was the only nice person in the building, the other 400 people all looked down on here, even the building mgmt treated her and all the other "foreigners", one level above dirt!

Example B: Take the typical office. Every office has a few people from India or China who don't speak flawless English or have an accept. The second your typical American hears that accent they categorize them as a "dumb foreigner" who is somehow beneath them (even though the "dumb foreigner" has an MBA, CPA, CFA and double the Amercian's IQ). Higher educated people don't tend to think this way, but the average American does think this way.

It happens on a much smaller scale in KR, because there are almost no foreigners here. People are just more obvious about it.
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fosterman



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ummm might sound harsh, but I have traveled all over asia, and I found Korea to be the most, well , how can I say, the most uninviting to foreigners, I mean don't get me wrong. they are kind and nice face to face, always found most koreans to be polite toward me, but what I found was the Chinese seemed more friendly and open to foreigners and wouldn't mind so much a foreigner entering their family, or dating their sister, same goes for the japanese, thai, vietnamese etc. But Koreans seem to be extremely more conservative than the others and have a real chip on their shoulder.

and when you travel to Asian countries, locals say negative things about Korean shoppers and Korean tourists. so I don't know..
I am not Korean, so I don't know.. but .... yeah Koreans do come across as arrogant and a little stuck up at times.

new money syndrome so to speak.
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Dodge7



Joined: 21 Oct 2011

PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

KimchiNinja wrote:
Cmon guys, the exact same thing happens in the United States and on a much larger scale.

Example A: I lived in this swanky condo and who cleans the building? Some poor Russian lady of course! Because no American wants that job. She said I was the only nice person in the building, the other 400 people all looked down on here, even the building mgmt treated her and all the other "foreigners", one level above dirt!

Example B: Take the typical office. Every office has a few people from India or China who don't speak flawless English or have an accept. The second your typical American hears that accent they categorize them as a "dumb foreigner" who is somehow beneath them (even though the "dumb foreigner" has an MBA, CPA, CFA and double the Amercian's IQ). Higher educated people don't tend to think this way, but the average American does think this way.

It happens on a much smaller scale in KR, because there are almost no foreigners here. People are just more obvious about it.

That's such BS. I had a job cleaning office building a while back and there are plenty of Americans who would do that and ANY other job. If Americans are cleaning up murder scenes, picking up your dirty, smelly trash and plumbing your crap clogged toilet bowls, then they are certainly Americans that would clean an apartment building. The reason the poor Russian lady got the job was because she would work it cheaper than most Americans. It all comes down to money--not the desirability of a job. And that is not American citizens fault, it's the owner who sets the wages.
Same stupid argument about fruit pickers in Cali. The argument states that the reason Mexican people are doing these jobs is because American people don't WANT to do it (like they have a choice). WRONG. It's because the farm owners would rather pay a fraction of the wage to the Mexican illegals that would do it for half the price.

The second statement I underlined is simply not true. The staff treats them like any other American. People talk to them and treat them like every body else. Why are you lying?
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