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dairyairy
Joined: 17 May 2012
Location: South Korea
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| Why would any foreigners refuse to show ID and get patted down? Who among foreigners would be in trouble if they are caught up in an ID checkpoint? |
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NYC_Gal 2.0
Joined: 10 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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| I have no problem with showing ID. I do, however, have a problem with a pat down unless they're going to find a female cop to do it without men watching. |
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wishfullthinkng
Joined: 05 Mar 2010
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| Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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| SpiralStaircase wrote: |
| I am an American citizen sir. I know my rights. |
there is a reason why most developed countries don't recognize dual citizenships even if you possess them while you are in their country and require you to get a visa.
one of those reasons is to prevent people from doing crazy things like chopping off their neighbor's head then claiming sovereignty from their other passport and getting extradited with impunity. |
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shostahoosier
Joined: 14 Apr 2009
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| Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 11:23 pm Post subject: |
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| SpiralStaircase wrote: |
| I am an American citizen sir. I know my rights. |
Nice trolling!  |
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nora
Joined: 14 Apr 2012
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| Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 11:41 pm Post subject: |
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The thing is, people in Korea have MORE rights in some regards than in the US.
For example - if you fight with a cop in the US, they will beat the hell out of you. If you do it here, they are a lot more careful with injuring people. Why? Because until the late 80's, this was a police state with people being tortured and murdered by the police. I've always thought that the rules here were bizarre and arbitrary at times, but as my K friends point out, a lot of the "ineptitude" of the police is actually because the people passed laws that constrain them from abusing their power.
Reading this, it sounds like a VERY controversial issue for Korea. As ttom said, foreigners are required to show id when asked, and you will get in some trouble if you don't, but this still seems like it's a very sticky situation. |
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SpiralStaircase
Joined: 14 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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| shostahoosier wrote: |
| SpiralStaircase wrote: |
| I am an American citizen sir. I know my rights. |
Nice trolling! |
Thank you for reading between the lines.
Apologies fermentation for I assumed you were American. That being said, I have a hard time believing you spent your formative years here in Korea. Reason being, you seem to share that (North?) American notion that cooperating with authorities is somehow akin to being treated like a criminal.
The majority of us (NTs) are guests in this country. Being asked to show some ID and answer a few questions in no way constitues the violation of civil rights. To suggest the contrary enables the ignorant. |
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fermentation
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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| SpiralStaircase wrote: |
Apologies fermentation for I assumed you were American. That being said, I have a hard time believing you spent your formative years here in Korea. Reason being, you seem to share that (North?) American notion that cooperating with authorities is somehow akin to being treated like a criminal.
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Does is matter? I spent more than half my life in Korea, formative years and as a teenager. I pay taxes and was coerced into military service for my country. I have the right to be against policies I don't agree with. "American notions" has nothing to do with it unless you think "real Koreans" don't question the government. I guess the human rights groups who are against this policy are also "Americanized?" Why do you think this was scrapped back in 2010?
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| foreigners are required to show id when asked |
Do you guys have to comply with searches and pat-downs too? |
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SpiralStaircase
Joined: 14 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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It�s of no consequence at all. I am just curious as to how/why these predominantly American beliefs manifest themselves in confucius society.
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| Do you guys have to comply with searches and pat-downs too? |
As a foreigner in Korea, no problems at all. |
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Unposter
Joined: 04 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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For what it is worth, I would like to just say:
Most "modern" nations allow dual citizenship. Korea was one of the few who didn't until this year and are in the process of expaning and defining dual citizenship. With all the extradition treaties signed, I cannot imagine any semi-intelligent government particularly worried about dual citizens committing crimes in one country and then using their passports to get away. This is a non-issue.
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It is not just foreigners who have to show ID; it is Koreans as well. It is a crime to be on the street without ID in Korea, period, regardless of nationality or visa staus.
If you happen to live in an enlightened state where you don't have to show your ID to a police officer, kudos to you, I hope you work hard to keep your liberty.
Sadly, that is not a limit to Korean police power. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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Captain, you were here before 2010 right? Did you notice people getting randomly searched? I haven't but I may not have been as observant as I am now. |
Nope, never saw it. Police were ... "as active" as they are now. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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Way back, before the world cup, immigration enforcement officers used to be a nuisance chasing foreigners around the subway platforms.
Beyond that I have never seen, heard of, or been searched (or even questioned by) a police officer on the street or even when driving (other than the occasional - blow into the machine as you drive by - DUI stop check).
The ONLY time a police officer asked for my ID was when I drove (in my own car) through the front gate and onto the campus of the K.N.P.U. for my first day of classes.
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SpiralStaircase
Joined: 14 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Unposter wrote: |
If you happen to live in an enlightened state where you don't have to show your ID to a police officer |
Care for some tea? |
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Stan Rogers
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Police officers are trying to protect the public. We should respect them. I have been asked for my ID one time and I presented to the officer. He said "thank you" and handed back my ID card. It wasn't painful, it didn't cause nightmares or traumatize me. |
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b-class rambler
Joined: 25 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Unposter wrote: |
For what it is worth, I would like to just say:
Most "modern" nations allow dual citizenship. Korea was one of the few who didn't until this year |
A lot of ESLers and other expats in Korea clearly think this is the case, assuming that it's the norm for dual citizenship to be allowed, perhaps because their own country allows it.
But it's actually a very inaccurate assumption. Whilst there are about 100 countries that do allow it, roughly the same number do not, many of them definitely falling within the description of a "modern country".
Japan doesn't for a start. Their rules are what used to be the case in Korea - kids born to a Japanese parent and other nationality parent can have both only until they become an adult, after which they must choose one only.
Others that don't allow it include Austria, Denmark, Norway, India, Malaysia, Poland, Indonesia amongst others. There are also several other European countries that allow it, but only in very restricted circumstances.
The countries most of us on this forum come from are either completely or largely immigrant nations and as result have fairly generous laws on dual citizenship. But it's a mistake to assume that's the norm around the world. |
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fermentation
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Stan Rogers wrote: |
| Police officers are trying to protect the public. We should respect them. I have been asked for my ID one time and I presented to the officer. He said "thank you" and handed back my ID card. It wasn't painful, it didn't cause nightmares or traumatize me. |
Could you please explain how randomly checking IDs will protect the public? Remember this policy was reinstated due to the recent stabbing and rape cases. Did the random ID checking prevent Nayoung from being raped? |
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