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The Cosmic Hum
Joined: 09 May 2003
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 Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 7:15 am Post subject: |
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Condescending? Nah. Seemed pretty obvious to me since I used to be a biochemist before I realized working with dangerous chemicals probably wasn't the healthiest career path for me. I guess I overestimated your understanding of physiology and biochemistry. My bad, no harm meant.
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No harm taken.
You may have overestimated my understanding of physiology and biochemistry...but you have certainly overestimated your own.
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| the differences between GMO food and non-GMO food are minimal, just a few proteins, which are digestible. |
Which are digestible...really?
This was your position on GMO foods?
Ouch.
I won't underestimate your knowledge on this topic...though you might want to do a bit more study on the digestibility of proteins...and the controversy over the differences in "just a few proteins".
This topic is incredibly complex...and your simplistic approach to it defies logic.
I was surprised to hear someone make such an obviously baited statement about GMO's and was looking forward to hearing something new on the subject.
Anyway, I am sure you have your own take on this issue, and you have made it clear enough...I will leave you to it. |
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12ax7
Joined: 07 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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| The Cosmic Hum wrote: |
| 12ax7 wrote: |
Condescending? Nah. Seemed pretty obvious to me since I used to be a biochemist before I realized working with dangerous chemicals probably wasn't the healthiest career path for me. I guess I overestimated your understanding of physiology and biochemistry. My bad, no harm meant.
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No harm taken.
You may have overestimated my understanding of physiology and biochemistry...but you have certainly overestimated your own.
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| the differences between GMO food and non-GMO food are minimal, just a few proteins, which are digestible. |
Which are digestible...really?
This was your position on GMO foods?
Ouch.
I won't underestimate your knowledge on this topic...though you might want to do a bit more study on the digestibility of proteins...and the controversy over the differences in "just a few proteins".
This topic is incredibly complex...and your simplistic approach to it defies logic.
I was surprised to hear someone make such an obviously baited statement about GMO's and was looking forward to hearing something new on the subject.
Anyway, I am sure you have your own take on this issue, and you have made it clear enough...I will leave you to it. |
Yes, there are many concerns over GMO food (didn't notice I mentioned one of them?), but the gist of my argument is correct: the money maker for those who oppose GMO food, which is that it is dangerous for human health, is purposely overstated. |
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The Cosmic Hum
Joined: 09 May 2003
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| Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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| ... the money maker for those who oppose GMO food, which is that it is dangerous for human health, is purposely overstated. |
No doubt about it.
This is akin to global warming and the rest of the big money making fear factors.
Read one study on the horrors of GMOs...then another stating exactly the opposite.
It all depends on which side of the money the study is on.
At this stage of the game...it pays to stay informed...then ignore most of it. |
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12ax7
Joined: 07 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 11:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Well, although I don't foresee having to move to the peak of a high mountain because of the melting icecaps, the environment is screwed up because of us. There's no doubt about that. Just right now, as I am typing this, I had to close the windows because some farmer(s) is (are) burning plastic, spewing toxic fumes into the air, not far from my home. Just one example of many I could give of the destructive power of humans. |
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Privateer
Joined: 31 Aug 2005
Location: Easy Street.
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| Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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If you don't like it, don't eat it. Simple enough.
Read the label before you buy it.
If you don't like what you read, don't buy it.
That will help with the whole "don't eat" thingy. |
In Europe, I seem to recall, these agribizzes did their damnednest to stop GM food even being labelled as such.
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| Most foods are genetically modified, cross-pollination occurs and voila! |
Yes, and then if a farmer's crops are found to contain even 1% GM genes, Monsanto sues and voila! Another small farmer out of business. And that's in the U.S. Think what they must do in India... |
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12ax7
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| Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 2:22 am Post subject: |
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| Privateer wrote: |
| yodanole wrote: |
If you don't like it, don't eat it. Simple enough.
Read the label before you buy it.
If you don't like what you read, don't buy it.
That will help with the whole "don't eat" thingy. |
In Europe, I seem to recall, these agribizzes did their damnednest to stop GM food even being labelled as such.
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| Most foods are genetically modified, cross-pollination occurs and voila! |
Yes, and then if a farmer's crops are found to contain even 1% GM genes, Monsanto sues and voila! Another small farmer out of business. And that's in the U.S. Think what they must do in India... |
That's a big one for me. It almost seems as if the impetus behind the development of GM food is to create monopolies, particularly grains as the demand for ethanol fuel increases. |
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Underwaterbob
Joined: 08 Jan 2005
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| Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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All these cries of "freak" and "franken" food (typically not backed up with any definitive evidence) sound like alarmist BS to me. I don't see the danger in genetically modified foods being a health issue. I'm more concerned with companies patenting plants. Almost as ridiculous as Apple's patent on the "rounded rectangle".  |
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KimchiNinja
Joined: 01 May 2012
Location: Gangnam
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| Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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| but the gist of my argument is correct: which is that it is dangerous for human health, is purposely overstated. |
Yeah but nobody knows that, which is the whole point. Nobody knows the long-term consequences of tampering with nature, nor can anyone assume they are inconsequential.
The whole point of the US is to make profit, no matter what. From that comes the endless arguing about "the facts" (laugh, meaning paid off scientists) and "this side" against "that side�. But it�s profit based not truth based. An absurd carnival of retardation... |
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KimchiNinja
Joined: 01 May 2012
Location: Gangnam
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| Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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| yodanole wrote: |
If you don't like it, don't eat it. Simple enough.
Read the label before you buy it.
If you don't like what you read, don't buy it.
That will help with the whole "don't eat" thingy. |
Good morning smarty pants.
To inform you because it appears you may have attention deficit disorder from eating too much genetically modified science-experiment food; the whole point is that they made it so those companies do not need to label the food. You can call them but they won't say what is in it. They say "it may contain, we cant say". Because if they did say, a lot of people wouldn't buy it.
In Korea they didn't want it. The US got mad and said "we walked off a cliff so should you, import it or else!". So they imported it, but the Koreans wouldn't buy it.  Smart. But that was because it had to be labeled. I think they changed that so it doesn't need to be labeled in KR anymore. Clearly. Got it? |
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KimchiNinja
Joined: 01 May 2012
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| Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 4:10 pm Post subject: Re: US genetically modified freak food |
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| Basically I can't get away from the USA. |
Just out of curiosity, are you an American citizen? |
Yep, why?
Anyhow, since that entire nation's food supply is contaminated and labeling is manipulated I've switched to NO-US food, period. But you can never get away from it completely. It boggles the mind how a country that considers itself a "first world country" can be so behind in almost every way. |
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Underwaterbob
Joined: 08 Jan 2005
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| Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Yeah but nobody knows that, which is the whole point. Nobody knows the long-term consequences of tampering with nature, nor can anyone assume they are inconsequential. |
Nor can we assume that they're going to turn us into zombies at any moment.
I'm with you that genetically modified foods are not necessarily a good thing; however, dealing with the issue through misinformed fear-mongering does no one any good. Throwing around a whole lot of manipulative, loaded terminology: "contamination", "manipulation", "freak food", "frankenfood", "tampering with nature" puts you on par with the evangelist who tells us we're going to hell unless we join his cause. You're actively doing your not-necessarily-bad cause harm. |
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12ax7
Joined: 07 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 4:55 am Post subject: |
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| Underwaterbob wrote: |
| All these cries of "freak" and "franken" food (typically not backed up with any definitive evidence) sound like alarmist BS to me. I don't see the danger in genetically modified foods being a health issue. I'm more concerned with companies patenting plants. Almost as ridiculous as Apple's patent on the "rounded rectangle". |
Yes, exactly. It's the monopolistic business practices that rub me the wrong way. |
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12ax7
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| Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 4:57 am Post subject: |
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| 12ax7 wrote: |
| but the gist of my argument is correct: which is that it is dangerous for human health, is purposely overstated. |
Yeah but nobody knows that, which is the whole point. Nobody knows the long-term consequences of tampering with nature, nor can anyone assume they are inconsequential.
The whole point of the US is to make profit, no matter what. From that comes the endless arguing about "the facts" (laugh, meaning paid off scientists) and "this side" against "that side�. But it�s profit based not truth based. An absurd carnival of retardation... |
Argument to ignorance is a logical fallacy, buddy. Unless you can back it up with evidence, you're not going to convince me that eating a plant that's been modified to produce a protein that is indigestible to a certain bug because of its rudimentary digestive system is going to turn me into a mutant (although it would be cool to be like Spiderman or Wolverine). Hell, as far as I'm concerned, vegetables should have more protein in them. |
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The Cosmic Hum
Joined: 09 May 2003
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| Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 5:08 am Post subject: |
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| 12ax7 wrote: |
| KimchiNinja wrote: |
| 12ax7 wrote: |
| but the gist of my argument is correct: which is that it is dangerous for human health, is purposely overstated. |
Yeah but nobody knows that, which is the whole point. Nobody knows the long-term consequences of tampering with nature, nor can anyone assume they are inconsequential.
The whole point of the US is to make profit, no matter what. From that comes the endless arguing about "the facts" (laugh, meaning paid off scientists) and "this side" against "that side�. But it�s profit based not truth based. An absurd carnival of retardation... |
Argument to ignorance is a logical fallacy, buddy. Unless you can back it up with evidence, you're not going to convince this scientist thatjust because a plant's been modified to produce a protein that is indigestible to a certain bug (but has been proven to be safe to humans) is going to turn me into a mutant (although it would be cool to be like Spiderman or Wolverine). |
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence either...right?
The hyperbole doesn't encourage this debate much.
While that undigested protein may not turn you into Spiderman or Wolverine...it may...over the years, give you colon cancer.
The fact is...we just don't know...yet.
Again, it is wise to be cautious...either way... at this point in time. |
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young_clinton
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| Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 6:17 am Post subject: |
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| If foods are not genetically modified then who is going to be selected to go without food? Genetically modified foods increase food productivity thereby making more food available to the world. |
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