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Setaro
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Received Pronunciation may be the 'standard' accent in England (according to textbooks) but hardly anyone speaks it. Not even the BBC news readers use it any more. Hardly any English people working in Korea will use that accent.
There is no 'standard' English accent in England, never mind the UK. |
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Seoulman69
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| I wouldn't have picked that topic. You might end up needing to produce a comparative analysis of each accent since that's really what your investigating: distinct accents, not standard ones. That in itself is a dissertation. |
Thanks for the advice but I think I'll stick with this topic. I've been given the thumbs up for the dissertation so forgive me if I listen to the advice from my tutor and lecturers over strangers on a message board.
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Received Pronunciation may be the 'standard' accent in England (according to textbooks) but hardly anyone speaks it. Not even the BBC news readers use it any more. Hardly any English people working in Korea will use that accent.
There is no 'standard' English accent in England, never mind the UK. |
There is a 'standard' English accent and it's called Received Pronunciation. Anyone with the internet can work that one out. The national BBC anchors still use RP. Many actors use it. I realize that most people in Korea do not use it but don't worry, I will specify which area of the country each accent comes from in my paper. |
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staygold
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| Not sure why everyone is making this harder than it is. When I think of an "American accent," Southern or Boston accents don't come to mind. Isn't there a generalized form of American English that comes to mind for most people? Just like how the standard Korean accent is considered to be the Seoul dialect. |
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Setaro
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| Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L27Z9E-KMqw#t=1m5s
Huw Edwards doesn't speak with an RP accent and he's the BBC's lead news reader. The ones who used RP in the 80s and 90s no longer use it, if they're still working for the BBC these days. The only place you'll hear RP these days is BBC Radio 4.
If anything, the South East (Estuary English) accent would be the standard, and it's not RP.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estuary_English |
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Seoulman69
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| Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L27Z9E-KMqw#t=1m5s
Huw Edwards doesn't speak with an RP accent and he's the BBC's lead news reader. The ones who used RP in the 80s and 90s no longer use it, if they're still working for the BBC these days. The only place you'll hear RP these days is BBC Radio 4.
If anything, the South East (Estuary English) accent would be the standard, and it's not RP.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estuary_English |
Bill Turnbull, Susanna Reid, Fiona Bruce, Sian Williams. That's 4 BBC news presenters who have a fairly standardized accent. Even Huw Edwards doesn't have a strong Welsh accent.
You said there was no 'standard' English accent in England. As I said before it is RP.
We can keep debating this but it's a waste of my time. I don't care what you think about accents. I only want to communicate with people who are willing to help me, not douchebags who are derailing my thread. The people who want to help, please send me a PM. The people who have already contacted me, thank you.
I'm still looking for Irish and English accents. |
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aq8knyus
Joined: 28 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 10:39 pm Post subject: |
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Shouldn't a 'standard' be measured in terms of how many people use it?
There are 64 million people in the UK, 50 million odd in England, I doubt there will be more than 0.1% who use RP.
There will be far more TV and radio presenters using non-RP accents than RP, so how does a few rah-rahs on radio 4 make it the standard of England in the 21st century? |
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jammo
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| Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 12:41 am Post subject: |
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| Seoulman have you checked out Rhinospike? Sounds right up your street |
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Seoulman69
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| Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 2:31 am Post subject: |
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| Jammo - you are a legend. Thank you. |
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12ax7
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| Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 4:58 am Post subject: |
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| Seoulman69 wrote: |
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| I wouldn't have picked that topic. You might end up needing to produce a comparative analysis of each accent since that's really what your investigating: distinct accents, not standard ones. That in itself is a dissertation. |
Thanks for the advice but I think I'll stick with this topic. I've been given the thumbs up for the dissertation so forgive me if I listen to the advice from my tutor and lecturers over strangers on a message board.
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Received Pronunciation may be the 'standard' accent in England (according to textbooks) but hardly anyone speaks it. Not even the BBC news readers use it any more. Hardly any English people working in Korea will use that accent.
There is no 'standard' English accent in England, never mind the UK. |
There is a 'standard' English accent and it's called Received Pronunciation. Anyone with the internet can work that one out. The national BBC anchors still use RP. Many actors use it. I realize that most people in Korea do not use it but don't worry, I will specify which area of the country each accent comes from in my paper. |
Not advice, just an observation.
But, let me pass along a piece of advice that I received from my tutor:
You don't need to justify your research to the world. Above all else, it must be relevant to you.
While we're at it, you might want to check the following book before you start the writing process:
'Writing an Applied Linguistics Thesis or Dissertation' by John Bitchener.
He breaks down the different chapters of a thesis, pointing out its strongest elements. I've found it useful, not that I followed it to the letter. |
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rchristo10
Joined: 14 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 2:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Seoulman69 wrote: |
I've been given the thumbs up for the dissertation so forgive me if I listen to the advice from my tutor and lecturers over strangers on a message board...Anyone with the internet can work that one out. |
Red flags.  Anyone else spot them? 
So, what grade are you in? |
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Seoulman69
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Thanks to the people who have helped so far. I now have Filipino, Scottish, Australian, South African, and New Zealand (hopefully soon).
I'm still looking for English and Irish accents. Don't worry if your accent is "standard" and don't be put off by the idiots on this thread.
Thanks to everyone who has helped so far. |
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Setaro
Joined: 08 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Seoulman69 wrote: |
Thanks to the people who have helped so far. I now have Filipino, Scottish, Australian, South African, and New Zealand (hopefully soon).
I'm still looking for English and Irish accents. Don't worry if your accent is "standard" and don't be put off by the idiots on this thread.
Thanks to everyone who has helped so far. |
Look, RP is not the 'standard' accent of the UK, and never was. Only a minuscule percentage of the population ever spoke it, and it's becoming rarer and rarer as the years go on. This is RP: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hU090_Ns8JQ
Basically the only people who still use that accent are the royal family BBC Radio 4.
You yourself said "I'm looking for accents that are a fairly standard representation of the country they are from." By that definition, RP is NOT the standard accent of the UK. That would be something like a general Southern England accent. Just find some men from the South of England and there you have your 'standard' UK English. |
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1927
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| Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2012 2:25 am Post subject: |
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I've been given the thumbs up for the dissertation so forgive me if I listen to the advice from my tutor and lecturers over strangers on a message board...Anyone with the internet can work that one out. |
Red flags. Anyone else spot them?
So, what grade are you in? |
I often query what drives one to be so unwarrantedly insulting. Name-calling, mocking others' intelligence, airs of superiority and the like; I spot a number of red flags, yes I do. |
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Seoulman69
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| Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2012 2:52 am Post subject: |
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| I often query what drives one to be so unwarrantedly insulting. Name-calling, mocking others' intelligence, airs of superiority and the like; I spot a number of red flags, yes I do. |
Yep. Very much the opposite of the qualities you would want in a teacher.
I'm slowly but surely getting the recordings though.  |
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CrikeyKorea
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My brothers and I all have different accents. Oh the horror.. yadda yadda yadda.
I did it, it took 30 seconds. If you are from the UK or Ireland and wanna help someone else out send Seoulman a message, do the recording, then we can delete this thread full of people arguing about accents. |
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