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Captain Corea

Joined: 28 Feb 2005 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 12:06 am Post subject: |
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| crescent wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
| That is very different than a guy stepping off the plane looking for skilled labourer work. |
Still doesn't make the details in your post any less false. |
By all means then, please go ahead and list ALL of the ways a non-married person can come here on their SO's visa, and slide themselves easily into flooring/construction work.
Feel free to counter each of my points if you like, but I'll stand by them - it's very unlikely that this guy is going to step off of the plane and get a job doing flooring here. And it's illegal for him to teach.
Do you know of many local construction companies that are dying to have a non-korean speaking flooring guy? By all means, perhaps you can list them out so this guy can take advantage of your wealth of industry contacts.
Face it, the guy didn't know what he was getting himself into. And your suggestion was simply that he get himself into a firm in his home country, and then hope they have business in Korea, and then hope they'll transfer him to Korea. ALL in the same time line that his SO is coming over.
And that's not to mention that they're not even married (yet).
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As for the "online work" thing, OP - that the majority of what I'm doing right now. But it's with a skill set (art) that may be a tad out of your comfort zone. |
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tiddles
Joined: 25 Aug 2009
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 1:13 am Post subject: |
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Online work is easy to get, even if you have no experience.
Can you write well? Can you hustle? Willing to churn out 500 word articles on payday loans for $5 for a few months while you build some contacts and a portfolio?
There you go. |
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crescent

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Location: yes.
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 5:34 am Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
| Feel free to counter each of my points if you like, but I'll stand by them |
I believe I have already countered the points which were false. Too defensive to read?. Stand by them if you like, but they are false. So was your assumption on any 'advice' I gave.
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Captain Corea

Joined: 28 Feb 2005 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 5:39 am Post subject: |
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| crescent wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
Feel free to counter each of my points if you like, but I'll stand by them - it's very unlikely that this guy is going to step off of the plane and get a job doing flooring here. And it's illegal for him to teach.
Do you know of many local construction companies that are dying to have a non-korean speaking flooring guy? By all means, perhaps you can list them out so this guy can take advantage of your wealth of industry contacts. |
I believe I have already countered the points which were false. Too defensive to read?. Stand by them if you like, but they are false. |
By all means then, suggest the guy come! Tell him how there's a great demand for his skill set, and that he could find jobs like that straight off of the plane! Oh, and not to worry about the visa thing and such... nah, that's not an issue.
Post up here all of your suggestions for him for job hook ups. You want to help a brother out, right? The best way to do that would be to help him land those jobs you're talking about. Help him shoot straight into a Korean construction company and get laying residential floors.
After that, I've got a handful of Canadian buds back home with trade skills you can get the hook up for as well.
Face it. He can't just step off the plane here, hoping to piggy-back his way into a construction job.
It's not going to happen. The odds are very against it.
And your insistence on it is just making ya look foolish.
But hey, prove me wrong. I'd love for you to. Get him the job hook up. It'd help him a lot, I'm sure, and it'd shut me up. Bonus points! |
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crescent

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Location: yes.
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 5:42 am Post subject: |
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My insistence on what exactly? Listen, bub. I gave absolutely no advice on this thread. I corrected a couple of details you posted, and you're blowing it up into something else. Stop giving in to your insecurities. Go back and read exactly what i wrote.
Then, say you're sorry. It's not that hard. Bonus points! |
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Captain Corea

Joined: 28 Feb 2005 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 6:07 am Post subject: |
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| crescent wrote: |
My insistence on what exactly? Listen, bub. I gave absolutely no advice on this thread. I corrected a couple of details you posted, and you're blowing it up into something else. Stop giving in to your insecurities. Go back and read exactly what i wrote.
Then, say you're sorry. It's not that hard. Bonus points! |
Here's what I wrote.
| Captain Corea wrote: |
Your spouse can teach legally. You cannot. In fact, if is near impossible for you to work here legally.
There is simply little to no demand for your skill set here and the wages you'd most likely expect.
I'm getting the feeling you think you can tag along and simply get into the flooring/construction industry. Language aside, it's a very different beast over here, and I fear that will not work for you. |
And I stand by it.
He cannot legally teach here.
There's very little demand/opportunity for his line of work (residential flooring).
He doesn't speak the language.
He's not married.
The chances of him flying over and landing a job here in his area of expertise are slim to none.
And you say that is wrong. By all means then, show me what's wrong about it? Show me how easy it is for him to do exactly what I said would be near impossible.
But as I've said already, if you KNOW different, help this guy. Help him get into the jobs he's looking for. Help him come here and land a position in his field of skill. Or, were you simply just talking out of yer arse? |
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crescent

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Location: yes.
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 6:17 am Post subject: |
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This is getting silly. I didn't say to go back and SELECTIVELY read what YOU wrote. I said go back and read what I wrote. From the beginning. I think then you'll see who was talking out of their arse.
Things will clear up. Try it. Or just go on derailing the thread. |
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Captain Corea

Joined: 28 Feb 2005 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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| crescent wrote: |
This is getting silly. I didn't say to go back and SELECTIVELY read what YOU wrote. I said go back and read what I wrote. From the beginning. I think then you'll see who was talking out of their arse.
Things will clear up. Try it. Or just go on derailing the thread. |
Yeah, you called me out.
| crescent wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
| That is very different than a guy stepping off the plane looking for skilled labourer work. |
Still doesn't make the details in your post any less false. |
You said the details of my post were false. There's my post.
Go to it. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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Your wife would have to make a really high income to make it worth it. If she's making 4 million won a month with free housing, it'll be worth it for you to come over and not work. The odd side teaching job might be helpful. You could do online teaching for people in North America just like you would back home.
As for the other things, there's no skilled trades here. ANyone can do these jobs. The final work has to be inspected by a 4 year degree engineer. Depends on what type of contruction or expertise you have. I know there are a few who build western sytle homes here and might have use for some type of "specialist" especially someone who does or knows something the locals don't. Not impossible, but highly unlikely. You won't find the answer here however. |
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crescent

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Location: yes.
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
| crescent wrote: |
This is getting silly. I didn't say to go back and SELECTIVELY read what YOU wrote. I said go back and read what I wrote. From the beginning. I think then you'll see who was talking out of their arse.
Things will clear up. Try it. Or just go on derailing the thread. |
Yeah, you called me out.
| crescent wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
| That is very different than a guy stepping off the plane looking for skilled labourer work. |
Still doesn't make the details in your post any less false. |
You said the details of my post were false. There's my post.
Go to it. |
English is your native language, no? What part of 'from the beginning' do you not understand? You have now wasted what, five, drawn out, cut and paste threads in order to assuage your ego.
It's truly mind boggling that you choose to continue arguing points you completely made up instead of simply looking back at my first post which quoted you. You almost made it, but you didn't quite get there.
Good luck, and don't forget that apology. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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Look, there very well may be (I don't know and, honestly, I'm really not interested in finding out one way or the other) tons of work available for laying flooring. The thing is, if you:
- are not Korean or Korean ethnicity,
- are not employed already in that field with a firm that has an office in Korea,
or
- do not speak Korean
there simply is no legal way for you to get employed in that field in South Korea. Advice to pick up the odd tutoring gig or work under the table is very bad advice. Get caught doing that and not only will you end up deported but your spouse may very well lose her job and visa also. And this brand-new and not unforeseen situation will not be cheap. You will pay before you are allowed to leave the country.
As another poster said, Korea isn't Kansas. You want to work in Korea? Get the documantation (diploma) that will qualify you for employment there. Don't want to do that? Go live somewhere else.
I believe CC's point is that the OP's situation (i.e., his skill set of not speaking Korean, not having diploma) makes it not possible for him to "walk off the plane and find a job in his current field." |
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Captain Corea

Joined: 28 Feb 2005 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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| crescent wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
| crescent wrote: |
This is getting silly. I didn't say to go back and SELECTIVELY read what YOU wrote. I said go back and read what I wrote. From the beginning. I think then you'll see who was talking out of their arse.
Things will clear up. Try it. Or just go on derailing the thread. |
Yeah, you called me out.
| crescent wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
| That is very different than a guy stepping off the plane looking for skilled labourer work. |
Still doesn't make the details in your post any less false. |
You said the details of my post were false. There's my post.
Go to it. |
English is your native language, no? What part of 'from the beginning' do you not understand? You have now wasted what, five, drawn out, cut and paste threads in order to assuage your ego.
It's truly mind boggling that you choose to continue arguing points you completely made up instead of simply looking back at my first post which quoted you. You almost made it, but you didn't quite get there.
Good luck, and don't forget that apology. |
Yeah, I read your first post. And yes, I still think you're talking out of your butt. The guy isn't working for a company that will transfer him to Korea. If he was, I'm sure he would have mentioned it.
Your point was that it IS possible to work in construction here. Why don't you take your own advice and read what I actually wrote. I didn't say it was impossible for him to work here. I said it was "near impossible" for him to work in his field here.
But as I've said numerous times, if you think I'm wrong, prove it! Help the guy out. I'm sure he'd appreciate it.
Put him in contact with your wealth of connection in the construction industry. Tell them you know a guy that does flooring back home, and that they should hire him.
The thing is, I actually know people in the biz in Korea. One of my good buds just retired as CEO of a major Korean construction firm. And do they employ foreigners? Yup. Two types.
-Simple laborers. They bring them over on "trainee" visas, and pay them a cheap wage... because it's "training".
-Engineers. There are a number from India and such that work here. Walk through Jongno in the morning, and you'll see a few dozen heading into the office buildings. But those are engineers - not tradesmen.
So again, I ask you - if you KNOW of a way to help this guy, and are not talking out of your butt, do so! Help him get a job here.
But if you're just talking for the sake of argument, then buzz off, cuz you're really not helping this guy. He needs to know what his real options are when stepping off the plane. |
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crescent

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Location: yes.
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Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2012 12:19 am Post subject: |
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Ok, since you need the hand-holding, here we go...
I am not taking issue with the obvious level of difficulty the man has getting a job in his trade. That has been well explained. Anything you think I said in that regard is sadly, your own concoction. All I did was clearly state, contrary to your post, that foreign construction firms are numerous here, especially in residential construction, and that wages offered are much higher in comparison to wages in the west. Just because your friend doesn't pay well, doesn't mean he is in the majority regarding the industry as a whole.
I didn't say it would be easy to get a job. I said the opposite. Couldn't see that, could you?
Now, to add, you are also wrong in regard to the possible visas a foreign skilled worker can get, in addition to a 'training' visa. How does that sit with you?
So, in summary:
1. You thought you knew something, but didn't.
2. I corrected you. (first post I made)
3. Your ego made an entirely new argument, and can't let go of it.
You, sir, were the one talking out of your ass in regard to those two points. Those were the only two points I objected to and claim have a 'wealth of information' on. I claimed nothing else.The rest of this is the work of your imagination and insecurity.
Now, the question is: why on earth can't you just recognize that you were wrong on 2 minor points instead of inventing all this drama? Your posts have been hilarious on this thread. I'm sure you have more. It all depends on how much you want to be 'the man". |
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Lynns
Joined: 19 Mar 2006 Location: Korea
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Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2012 2:17 am Post subject: |
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| If she's working at one of the legitimate international schools (not a Korean-owned hagwon, but an accredited K-12 foreign school) they hire trailing spouses for a lot of campus jobs--clerical, facility management, administrative, support staff. It's very common at the big schools, and they procure the required visas. Almost sure you would have to be actually married though. |
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Captain Corea

Joined: 28 Feb 2005 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2012 2:17 am Post subject: |
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Crescent, by all means then, name them. List them. Show this guy all of the job advertisements for flooring work for foreigners in Korea.
Show us the wealth of opportunity Korea holds for foreigners in the residential flooring industry.
Because so far, you've shown jack.
You talk about hilarity in regards to my posts... fine, prove me wrong. Prove CentralCali, Tomm, and a host of others how easy it is for this guy to land his flooring job here.
Face it, you've been talking out of your as this whole thread. You called me out on... what exactly? That foreign construction workers get paid lower wages here? That it'd be near impossible for him to walk into a job here?
No, you had to create some elaborate path of him finding a placement in his home country to try to coincide with his SO's work here. It's you who had to concoct something to make your premise even possible.
So, most of the people on this thread are cautioning him. Saying that he simply can't come here and pick up construction work. Many are also saying to be wary of illegal teaching, and that his ideas of "online work" seem... not that thought out.
He can listen to all of those words of caution.
OR, he can listen to you.
And to listen to you, all he has to do is find a company that will fly a flooring guy half way around the world, to a place where he doesn't speak the language, so that he can install residential floors.
So, where are these jobs offers? I've asked you NUMEROUS times to back this up - where are the job offers for this guy? I mean, you've got the whole world wide web at your finger tips, and you're obvious claims of knowledge in the local industry - where's your hook up for him? Where's your help for this guy??
No where.
Exactly where your point and posts are in this thread. |
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