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Korea' weird fixation with the Western suit.
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Scorpion



Joined: 15 Apr 2012

PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 4:09 pm    Post subject: Korea' weird fixation with the Western suit. Reply with quote

Honestly, you'd think it was Korea's 'national treasure' number one. Why are they so obsessed with being seen in a dark Western suit? There's a new principle at my school (elementary school) and he has insisted that all the Korean teachers wear formal suits. Even the grade one teachers. WTF? We're not Samsung CEO's here. We're teaching kids ESL. He'd do well to spend less time obsessing on the teachers' appearances and more their teaching skills. A black suit does not make a good teacher. And in the elementary school system I think it is profoundly unnecessary.

Of course, noone has mentioned anything to me about wearing a suit. That requirement is apparently just for the 'real' teachers. Rolling Eyes Anyway, I don't own a suit in Korea. I dress presentably, but if they want me to wear a suit they's have to pay for it. And they'll need to turn on the friggin air conditioner once in a while.
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Dodge7



Joined: 21 Oct 2011

PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Unnecessary," yes! But kids may respond differently to you if you are teaching in a suit rather than jeans and casual wear.
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happiness



Joined: 04 Sep 2010

PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its from Japan, they do it there too. also, the drab colors somehow remind them of their school uniforms and their military garb.

Every Korean teacher has one or more, but when I worked at the high school, some teachers wore jeans.

As far as not worrying abt appearance and more on skills, get over that, dude. I learned very early to always have a decent haircut and a clean shirt ready at all time. Its served me well (its made me money). My 2 cents.
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andrewchon



Joined: 16 Nov 2008
Location: Back in Oz. Living in ISIS Aust.

PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's from 'Man in Black'. You'll be issued with a 'flash' and they'll forget that they saw you dancing 'Oppa GangNam Style'. You'll still have to do the dance, though.

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Scorpion



Joined: 15 Apr 2012

PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

happiness wrote:
As far as not worrying abt appearance and more on skills, get over that, dude. I learned very early to always have a decent haircut and a clean shirt ready at all time. Its served me well (its made me money). My 2 cents.


What are you talking about? A decent haircut and a clean shirt? Is that really what this thread is about? I also have clear shirts, a decent haircut and I shave everyday. I am presentable. I'm talking about the insistence on wearing a black suit to teach elementary school kids. Please try to read a post before commenting on it. In fact you make my point. Less emphasis on dark suits, more emphasis on reading skills.

But thanks for posting 'dude'.
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jvalmer



Joined: 06 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I went through school, most of my male teachers wore suits. However, it was in university when some professors dressed like slobs.
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thebearofbundang



Joined: 02 Sep 2012
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I taught in Canada, I would wear a suit 2-3 days a week. As a young teacher I felt that this was appropriate for me to do. When I was teaching in Korea, it seemed like most of the male teachers at my schools would wear a shirt and tie, but hardly any of them wore suits daily. These days I must once again wear suits (everyday), but that's because I am no longer teaching..
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Who's Your Daddy?



Joined: 30 May 2010
Location: Victoria, Canada.

PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is a discord here between dressing classy and acting classy. It's like the Beverly Hillbillies.
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The Cosmic Hum



Joined: 09 May 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't wear a suit to class...ever.
Not even a tie...ever.

My university has no problems with it.
I dress well...and do my job well.
That seems to do it.

If you like wearing a suit and tie...good on you.
I can't stand it...wicked uncomfortable and makes most people look like a monkey.
The tie itself is not short of being a noose.

Personally, I think only politicians, lawyers, businessmen and salespeople should wear them.
That way you can easily see the liars coming.
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newb



Joined: 27 Aug 2012
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2012 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Cosmic Hum wrote:
I don't wear a suit to class...ever.
Not even a tie...ever.

My university has no problems with it.
I dress well...and do my job well.
That seems to do it.

If you like wearing a suit and tie...good on you.
I can't stand it...wicked uncomfortable and makes most people look like a monkey.
The tie itself is not short of being a noose.

Personally, I think only politicians, lawyers, businessmen and salespeople should wear them.
That way you can easily see the liars coming.


++++++1 Razz
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andrewchon



Joined: 16 Nov 2008
Location: Back in Oz. Living in ISIS Aust.

PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2012 4:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Korea' weird fixation with the Western suit. Reply with quote

Scorpion wrote:
He'd do well to spend less time obsessing on the teachers' appearances and more their teaching skills. A black suit does not make a good teacher.


Appearance is a teaching skill. You can carry on with your 60's counter culture but please don't make other people's job harder than it is by taking away a class management tool.
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edwardcatflap



Joined: 22 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2012 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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"Unnecessary," yes! But kids may respond differently to you if you are teaching in a suit rather than jeans and casual wear.


That might be a fair point actually. I remember the teachers everyone was afraid of at my school tended to be the smartly dressed ones and the slobs were usually pretty relaxed in class.
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kingplaya4



Joined: 14 May 2006

PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2012 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clothes don't make a bit of difference except for first impressions. You can wear a suit and if you bore the kids to death, then you won't see much improvement. You can wear a suit but if you just let small classroom management issues go, before you know it you're a guy up there in a monkey suit that no one respects.
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Dave Chance



Joined: 30 May 2011

PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2012 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kingplaya4 wrote:
Clothes don't make a bit of difference except for first impressions. You can wear a suit and if you bore the kids to death, then you won't see much improvement. You can wear a suit but if you just let small classroom management issues go, before you know it you're a guy up there in a monkey suit that no one respects.


Further, if u place value on wearing a suit as part of a "teaching skill" (and support that behavior), then u make it harder for admin to distinguish between real skills and window dressing.

From there it's a short hop to hiring in a manner more weighted in favor of appearance...those teachers hired with that criteria in mind are not uncommonly the people who run smoke and mirror classes, often get good marks from their students 'for being so kind', and drag down the educational value of the school as other teachers are forced to also 'be kind' in order to compete on evaluations.
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andrewchon



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2012 9:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not just one thing but all of the them: appearance, mannerism, methods, body odor, voice timbre, leadership, choice of materials, ... the lot. Each are just as important as the other. You've been getting along with your strengths alone. You can do so much better by utilising the others.
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