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Discrimination in Itaewon: no foreigners allowed
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Canadian Club



Joined: 12 Aug 2006

PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 2:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been in there with a friend before, but we were both dressed up- not T-shirts or sweaters.
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Kepler



Joined: 24 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 3:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Captain Corea wrote:
I'm curious as to the actual laws in Korea regarding this sort of thing. Wasn't there something down in a Busan sauna that cause a mini-storm a year or so back - anything come of that?

Apparently, there are no laws against racial discrimination in Korea.

� 'There are laws banning discrimination by gender or by worker�s status. But there is none governing discrimination by race, not only do Koreans discriminate against foreigners but also Koreans discriminate against other Koreans like in Ku�s case,' a director of the center said."
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/biz/2011/10/117_96613.html

Businesses in the US could discriminate against customers based on race until the Civil Rights Act of 1964. So it may take several generations of minorities living in Korea until the laws are changed.
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PatrickGHBusan



Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -

PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 3:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Captain Corea wrote:
I'm curious as to the actual laws in Korea regarding this sort of thing. Wasn't there something down in a Busan sauna that cause a mini-storm a year or so back - anything come of that?


Yeah floating world got turned away from a gay sauna in Texas Street across from Busan station.

What "came" of this only he knows.
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fosterman



Joined: 16 Nov 2011

PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 4:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

that bar will be out of business soon enough.
because Itaewon is cool right now. but it wont stay that way like Hongdae
too many lounge bars and bars have opened up this year, koreans doing what the do best, over saturating the market. and now being selective of their clients, ohh because they only want to let in cool people.. ???
it just brings Itaewons image as a multi ethnic area down.

ohh well, either most Koreans will leave itaewon again, or they will increase and all the bars will be charging crazy prices, because" its western style"!
and foreigners will be like.. wtf.. but thats ok
3 alley, samryans, and seoul pub will always be open to foreigners.
so let the koreans have their cool bars in our town! I mean after all..
itaewon is only cool becuse FOREIGNERS are there right? our restaurants etc..
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Dodge7



Joined: 21 Oct 2011

PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 5:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

deizio wrote:
Yeah probably not a candidate for the seminar I'm giving on "Triple Media" next week.

As for Koreans only, I don't like it but they might be trying to save foreigners from disappointment when they get in there and find that tables start at 300k, and the girls are all with highly strung locals who don't take kindly to seeing their dates being accosted by foreigners on the way back from the powder room. Call ahead and book top-level bottle service, they might change their tune.

As much as I disagree with barring foreigners into clubs, deizio makes a pretty good point here.
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littlelisa



Joined: 12 Jun 2007
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 5:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hiamnotcool wrote:
T-J wrote:

Dollars to donuts says that if they spoke Korean well enough, were the right age, and dressed appropriately they could have gotten in.


Eh, she clearly stated it was for Koreans only so I don't know why you think that. However, I've been in there...I'm an average looking white guy. Actually might be worse, maybe they just don't want non-white foreigners going in there. I agree a boycott is the best solution.


Hahahaha... So let me get this right. The place will not allow foreigners (except that you've been there and you're a foreigner). To fix this injustice, foreigners should boycott the place (where supposedly foreigners are not allowed/wanted). What?

hiamnotcool wrote:
BTW to anyone interested it's just a small basement club with overpriced drinks and way too many dudes with bow ties and capris pants. Not missing much at all.
Have you read the story of the fox and the grapes?
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v88



Joined: 28 Feb 2010
Location: here

PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 5:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For Korea this sort of thing is hardly unusual. And to be fair it happens both ways, but I think the table's a bit slanted in their favour.

And why call your place 24 London, put it in the foreign district (a place the government advertises as as a foreign tourist spot) then tell foreigners that you're having a Korean only party. Stupid and hardly the kind of thing that makes Korea look modern and progressive.
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cdninkorea



Joined: 27 Jan 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 6:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What I always wonder about nightclubs which have a "no foreigners" policy is this: if a group of sexy, well-dressed 20-something women from, say, Japan or Russia were to show up, would they really say, "sorry, no foreigners"?

Also, yeah, the fact that it's called "London Lounge" and in Itaewon is pretty odd. Imagine opening a bar in Koreatown, LA, calling it "Busan Lounge" and not allowing Koreans to enter?
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aq8knyus



Joined: 28 Jul 2010
Location: London

PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 7:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So many posters have spectacularly missed the point here.

Its not about whether its a place worth going its about an admissions policy based on race. That is racism and should be condemned as such, now its not Mississippi burning but is just another little racist irritation that for those of us who love Korea find disappointing.

Solidarity against racism whether big or small, home or abroad, against Koreans or non-koreans. Is it really that difficult to understand?
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comm



Joined: 22 Jun 2010

PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 7:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

aq8knyus wrote:
Its not about whether its a place worth going its about an admissions policy based on race. That is racism and should be condemned as such, now its not Mississippi burning but is just another little racist irritation that for those of us who love Korea find disappointing.

Solidarity against racism whether big or small, home or abroad, against Koreans or non-koreans. Is it really that difficult to understand?


I think there's a lot of:
"It's just a LITTLE racism. Much less than I'm accustomed to, so it's not even worth talking about"
type of mentality from the people that have been here a while. Sad and telling imo.
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Zulethe



Joined: 04 Jul 2008

PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 8:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gotta agree with those who already alluded to the fact that it's probably not ALL foreigners, it's just CERTAIN foreigners who are excluded.

I'd have more respect if the Koreans would say: "Not all foreigners are disallowed, just you in your rag tag wearing look at me I'm a hogwon swinging, drinking at 25, expecting 2500 bottles of OB, cheap, low class sleaze ball that we are deperatly trying to avoid."
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OBwannabe



Joined: 16 Feb 2008

PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zulethe wrote:
Gotta agree with those who already alluded to the fact that it's probably not ALL foreigners, it's just CERTAIN foreigners who are excluded.

I'd have more respect if the Koreans would say: "Not all foreigners are disallowed, just you in your rag tag wearing look at me I'm a hogwon swinging, drinking at 25, expecting 2500 bottles of OB, cheap, low class sleaze ball that we are deperatly trying to avoid."


I'm guessing it is all foreigners, but in an effort to avoid having to deal with the above type of foreigner. Easier to just lump us all together.

But as someone mentioned...would they let a group of smoking hot foreign women in? My guess is yes.

I think I saw somewhere that the guy who posted the video was 40 years old or so. And the black gentleman looked pretty smartly dressed IMO.
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transmogrifier



Joined: 02 Jan 2012
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm personally of the opinion that private businesses should be allowed to choose their customers on whatever basis they like, including race, but at the same time it is everyone else's right to boycott them or protest them or call them a piece of crap for doing so.

*shrug*
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GoldMember



Joined: 24 Oct 2006

PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Every now and then we hear of a business that discriminates on the basis of race. The local Korean population know that the business discriminates. My question is, "Why doesn't the Korean population boycott the business?"
What happens if a Korean goes in and the persons non Korean spouse tries to get in 10 minutes later (busy parking the car)?
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Keeper



Joined: 11 Jun 2012

PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

transmogrifier wrote:
I'm personally of the opinion that private businesses should be allowed to choose their customers on whatever basis they like, including race, but at the same time it is everyone else's right to boycott them or protest them or call them a piece of crap for doing so.

*shrug*


Same thing here. It's their choice and it does go on in the US. There are high-priced bars who will not let some people in because they are not one of the "beautiful people". That's discrimination too.

Go next door and give your money to a different bar. Why give money to a bar-owner who doesn't want you around? When this place fails or has to change their policy then laugh.
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