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viciousdinosaur
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| ttompatz wrote: |
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Native teachers earn 42 mil won average in public system?  Costs is more likely.  |
Salary + benefits = earn. Just cause it ain't cash in your pocket doesn't mean it is not earned remuneration.
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I'm going to disagree with you here ttom.
Assuming a salary of 2.1m per month + severance + airfare (2m) + pension + health insurance + rent, you still only reach 36,120. And that's high-balling the rent and airfare.
The only way to reach 42m a year is to be making 2.5m/month. I don't think most public school teachers are making 2.5m a month.
They are obviously pricing in training and administrative fees, which is misrepresenting our salaries to the public to make it seem like we are living higher on the hog than we really are. |
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tiger fancini
Joined: 21 Mar 2006
Location: Testicles for Eyes
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| Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2012 2:55 am Post subject: Re: Seoul axing all native speakers by 2014? |
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| viciousdinosaur wrote: |
| Teach Korean kids American culture? That's cute. You'd have about the same amount of luck as going to Alabama and teaching evolution. |
This may be the first time that I have absolutely, 100% agreed with one of your musings!  |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2012 3:34 am Post subject: |
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| ttompatz wrote: |
| andrewchon wrote: |
| Native teachers earn 42 mil won average in public system? Costs is more likely. |
Salary + benefits = earn. Just cause it ain't cash in your pocket doesn't mean it is not earned remuneration.
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Bingo.
That seems the likely way the income was calculated. Housing, insurance, pension are all benefits. |
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tideout
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| Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:22 am Post subject: |
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Just a quick note on this story.
The article appears to be from 12/8/2011, so it's nothing new but the old story that was floating around last year.
It's nothing very substantive but I can add that someone I know was recently in contact with SMOE/EPIK and during a conversation this topic came up. The take on it there was basically that following the election stuff there's likely to be something of a reversal in the policy of downsizing that's occurred in the last year or so. How big, how much is speculative of course. |
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lithium
Joined: 18 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2012 11:42 am Post subject: Re: Seoul axing all native speakers by 2014? |
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I am going to study Hospitality management for my final semester in fall 2013 at Kyung Hee university in Seoul. I was inquiring about doing some teaching on the side to make some money while i was there. Until i read this article that made it pretty clear that the opportunities in Seoul would soon be non existent. My question now, Is it even worth getting Tesol certified if I will be in Seoul? Would i be able to teach in cities surrounding Seoul or is this exodus of native english speakers on a national level?
I was so excited to deal with Korean kids and help introduce them to American culture, but now it seems like that is never going to happen in Seoul!
http://www.rjkoehler.com/2011/12/08/seoul-to-sack-all-native-english-speaking-teachers-by-2014/ |
1) As a university student you couldn't work at a public school anyways. You couldn't actually work anywhere legally.
2) The TESOL? The only places that would even care you can't work at, because it's illegal to teach on a student visa.
3) Teach Korean kids American culture? That's cute. You'd have about the same amount of luck as going to Alabama and teaching evolution. |
Liberal I presume......  |
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viciousdinosaur
Joined: 30 Apr 2012
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| Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2012 1:30 pm Post subject: Re: Seoul axing all native speakers by 2014? |
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| lithium wrote: |
| viciousdinosaur wrote: |
| Harrismij wrote: |
I am going to study Hospitality management for my final semester in fall 2013 at Kyung Hee university in Seoul. I was inquiring about doing some teaching on the side to make some money while i was there. Until i read this article that made it pretty clear that the opportunities in Seoul would soon be non existent. My question now, Is it even worth getting Tesol certified if I will be in Seoul? Would i be able to teach in cities surrounding Seoul or is this exodus of native english speakers on a national level?
I was so excited to deal with Korean kids and help introduce them to American culture, but now it seems like that is never going to happen in Seoul!
http://www.rjkoehler.com/2011/12/08/seoul-to-sack-all-native-english-speaking-teachers-by-2014/ |
1) As a university student you couldn't work at a public school anyways. You couldn't actually work anywhere legally.
2) The TESOL? The only places that would even care you can't work at, because it's illegal to teach on a student visa.
3) Teach Korean kids American culture? That's cute. You'd have about the same amount of luck as going to Alabama and teaching evolution. |
Liberal I presume...... |
So I'm liberal because I believe in the scientific method and observational facts? How about I'm not crazy because I don't believe in an invisible, magic man who shows his love for us by sitting back and watching us suffer. |
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isitts
Joined: 25 Dec 2008
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 12:11 am Post subject: Re: Seoul axing all native speakers by 2014? |
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| tiger fancini wrote: |
| viciousdinosaur wrote: |
| Teach Korean kids American culture? That's cute. You'd have about the same amount of luck as going to Alabama and teaching evolution. |
This may be the first time that I have absolutely, 100% agreed with one of your musings! |
Same here. I liked it. |
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YTMND
Joined: 16 Jan 2012
Location: You're the man now dog!!
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Hmm, I don't know who to believe. This is all so confusing.
2012 end of the world or Korea survives and no longer needs English? |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| tideout wrote: |
| It's nothing very substantive but I can add that someone I know was recently in contact with SMOE/EPIK and during a conversation this topic came up. The take on it there was basically that following the election stuff there's likely to be something of a reversal in the policy of downsizing that's occurred in the last year or so. How big, how much is speculative of course. |
I definitely see a downsizing, but I don't see them eliminating NET's completely. I imagine the program being reduced to pre-2009 levels with possibly using more TALK teachers. |
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isitts
Joined: 25 Dec 2008
Location: Korea
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| Over the past few years I've noticed a dramatic increase in the general English fluency and accuracy levels of public school students. We might not be making them better at scoring high on bullshit tests, but we damn well are making them better communicators in English. |
Yeah, but that's the problem. They only care about the tests. If Korea goes through with this, they'll likely go the way of Japan; masters of the English test but unable to communicate in English in any functional way. |
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dairyairy
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| The OP's link is based on a blog post from nine months ago about a rumor. Is that enough evidence for you to make future plans? |
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Underwaterbob
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| isitts wrote: |
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| Over the past few years I've noticed a dramatic increase in the general English fluency and accuracy levels of public school students. We might not be making them better at scoring high on bullshit tests, but we damn well are making them better communicators in English. |
Yeah, but that's the problem. They only care about the tests. If Korea goes through with this, they'll likely go the way of Japan; masters of the English test but unable to communicate in English in any functional way. |
They're already most of the way there. Some of the "best" English students here can't speak a proper sentence, while this one student I had who I could have an actual conversation in English with got answers on her tests "wrong" because she interpreted the badly-worded, ambiguous questions in different - yet not technically incorrect - ways. |
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nautilus
Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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42M to get a foreign teacher and then ensure he sits in the corner and does not upstage the Korean teacher.
The money is wasted because they do not let FT's do their job to the best of their ability. |
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byrddogs
Joined: 19 Jun 2009
Location: Shanghai
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| Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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42M to get a foreign teacher and then ensure he sits in the corner and does not upstage the Korean teacher.
The money is wasted because they do not let FT's do their job to the best of their ability. |
While that may be true now (and possibly before for many) I had a completely opposite experience. I ran the show in my classes; the KT sat in the corner, so to say. How did that work out? In the years that I was at my school (a not so affluent one) we consistantly were number one in our district in Seoul out of all middle schools in English proficiency. My KT co-teachers definitely did their part as well in their classes. |
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isitts
Joined: 25 Dec 2008
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Yeah, but that's the problem. They only care about the tests. If Korea goes through with this, they'll likely go the way of Japan; masters of the English test but unable to communicate in English in any functional way. |
They're already most of the way there. Some of the "best" English students here can't speak a proper sentence, while this one student I had who I could have an actual conversation in English with got answers on her tests "wrong" because she interpreted the badly-worded, ambiguous questions in different - yet not technically incorrect - ways. |
I thought I'd responded to this, but guess I got sidetracked. Yeah, that sucks. I see it all the time. Just keep fighting the good fight. When my students say something that isn't in the book (read also "won't be on the test"), but is still correct, I tell them, "That way is ok, too."
Anyway, Korea can do whatever they want. If they want to swing the axe, fine. There are other countries that need/want (native) English teachers. |
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