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kiknkorea
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| Are they talking makeup only? Skin care only? Both? Only products designed specifically for men, or products bought by men? This is so ambiguous. |
http://www.euromonitor.com/skin-care-in-south-korea/report
According the the source they referred to, it includes the following:
Skin Care
Body Care
Firming/Anti-Cellulite Body Care
General Purpose Body Care
Facial Care
Acne Treatments
Face Masks
Facial Cleansers
Liquid/Cream/Gel/Bar Cleansers
Facial Cleansing Wipes
Facial Moisturisers
Lip Care
Nourishers/Anti-Agers
Toners
Hand Care
No mention of make-up here, but I haven't read the entire report. Not quite ready to fork over that $900 for it! |
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alongway
Joined: 02 Jan 2012
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| Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 7:10 am Post subject: |
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| Yeah that's a pretty wide net of innocuous stuff that doesn't remotely support the premise of the article. |
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liveinkorea316
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 7:21 am Post subject: |
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| Korean men make up more than 25% of the world spending on skincare products but less than 1% of the population of men. It's safe to say we didn't misunderstand the article. We realize they are the most metrosexual of them all. |
Considering 21 is not more than 25 yeah I could say you misunderstood a lot.
Another tell-tale sign is that a google search on key facts in the story reveals nothing. not a single other agency even reporting this fact, heck even this article doesn't even turn up.
But again, you've got a media piece playing fast and loose with loaded vocabulary, ambiguous meanings, etc
There is still 79% of the spending out there, and they didn't bother to break down the other big players at all.
You want to buy it, go ahead, at least I know I can think critically about something. |
21% of spending by 1% of men. How much that changes my point (eyes roll)
If you actually tried to read the article you would have noticed the stats and numbers came from a respectable market research company and the article itself was written by AP meaning the average reader like myself has no reason to question those numbers. You are not privy to the raw info because you gotta pay for that stuff. Unless you were waiting for Wikileaks to hack into Euromonitor's website for ya. |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 7:21 am Post subject: |
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| Is any of that stuff actually known to work? I use Retin A for my skin and it works great. |
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alongway
Joined: 02 Jan 2012
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| Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 7:23 am Post subject: |
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| liveinkorea316 wrote: |
| alongway wrote: |
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| Korean men make up more than 25% of the world spending on skincare products but less than 1% of the population of men. It's safe to say we didn't misunderstand the article. We realize they are the most metrosexual of them all. |
Considering 21 is not more than 25 yeah I could say you misunderstood a lot.
Another tell-tale sign is that a google search on key facts in the story reveals nothing. not a single other agency even reporting this fact, heck even this article doesn't even turn up.
But again, you've got a media piece playing fast and loose with loaded vocabulary, ambiguous meanings, etc
There is still 79% of the spending out there, and they didn't bother to break down the other big players at all.
You want to buy it, go ahead, at least I know I can think critically about something. |
21% of spending by 1% of men. How much that changes my point (eyes roll)
If you actually tried to read the article you would have noticed the stats and numbers came from a respectable market research company and the article itself was written by AP meaning the average reader like myself has no reason to question those numbers. You are not privy to the raw info because you gotta pay for that stuff. Unless you were waiting for Wikileaks to hack into Euromonitor's website for ya. |
and if you bothered to read 2 posts up you'd see the list of stuff they included which didn't include any make-up and included a lot of normal skincare stuff. Like acne cream.
If you had the slightest clue you'd realize this is soft fluff piece written by someone who is intentionally trying to mislead the reader by providing no real numbers, no context, and frankly nothing of value. |
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liveinkorea316
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 7:35 am Post subject: |
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Not exactly. You need more cultural perspective. And you need to learn some Korean. In their language Makeup in English translates to both cosmetics or skincare/toiletries. That is I guess why the article doesn't mislead those of us who can understand Korean. We know what the writer means, She was not misleading anyone on purpose.
They didn't get a solid breakdown just for you. But it is a broad article painting Korean men as very concerned about their appearance. There was nothing misleading or wrong in it. |
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The Cosmic Hum
Joined: 09 May 2003
Location: Sonic Space
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| Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 8:28 am Post subject: |
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It's also a good source of conversation, said Kim Ae-kyung, 35, a female office worker.
"I feel like I have more to talk about with guys who use makeup � we have more in common," Kim said. |
After that, they discuss mood swings, feeling bloated, and ways to attract men. |
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coralreefer_1
Joined: 19 Jan 2009
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| Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 8:42 am Post subject: |
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| liveinkorea316 wrote: |
They didn't get a solid breakdown just for you. But it is a broad article painting Korean men as very concerned about their appearance. There was nothing misleading or wrong in it. |
Exactly. Western men do the same thing, just in our culture the way many believe to attract women (note this is for those who feel like they need to make an effort to attract women) is to work out, buff up, get a tan..etc.
Its not like the vast majority of Korean men do this...just a segment. Its just dudes trying to do what they can to attract women in the environment that they exist in...which in this case is an environment where a man with a good job, soft un-calloused hands and a bird chest is more desirable than a guy with a so-so job, and what many of us might consider a "manly" physique and style. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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| The point is folks, that for whatever reason there is a market out there for a wide variety of products and we need to cash in. Time to find an angle to work. |
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alongway
Joined: 02 Jan 2012
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| Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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| liveinkorea316 wrote: |
Not exactly. You need more cultural perspective. And you need to learn some Korean. In their language Makeup in English translates to both cosmetics or skincare/toiletries. That is I guess why the article doesn't mislead those of us who can understand Korean. We know what the writer means, She was not misleading anyone on purpose.
They didn't get a solid breakdown just for you. But it is a broad article painting Korean men as very concerned about their appearance. There was nothing misleading or wrong in it. |
My Korean is fine, regardless of what you think "make-up" means in Korean, it's obvious they're trying to focus on the western meaning of make-up by talking about eye-liner, lipstick, etc.
You also need to be more observant. The photographer and a "contributing" reporter are Korean. The main reporter whose name is on the by-line is not a Korean. He would have the final edit and say on the language used in the article. You're desperately reaching to try and justify a crap article. The article is clearly trying to claim that the majority of guys in Korea are wearing make-up (as in things like eyeliner and lipstick) when they provide no remotely solid evidence to back that up.
They keep bringing those things up, but according to the report they weren't included in the list of items counted. The wilful ignorance here is just sad. |
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andrewchon
Joined: 16 Nov 2008
Location: Back in Oz. Living in ISIS Aust.
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| Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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| American CEOs have been saying "I can't miss my nail-appointment." since 1980's. This isn't even a news item. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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| atwood wrote: |
| alongway wrote: |
There is a big difference between Skincare and make-up.. as usual the media has lumped them together with a couple anecdotal examples to create a "trend" in some far-off exotic country.
This is the same as all the articles declaring any bizarre weird crap that came out of japan as a "new trend" but when you actually asked anyone who lived there if they'd seen it they'd always answer "What? God no..that'd be weird" |
Really? So you tone, exfoliate, cleanse, scrub, and moisturize? Apply body lotion, hand cream, eye gel? That's all skincare. And that's just the start.
And that's all mentioned in the article. |
Actually, I just use a bar of soap and a bottle of shampoo in the shower. Life's simple when you want it to be.... (Don't know what you're all talking about!) |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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| This country has plenty of girly men because the women love it. .. |
Yep. It's a simple fact of cultural evolution that so much of it is driven by the preferences of females when it comes to choosing partners. Some say it may even have influenced the evolution of races.
So choose wisely, girls! |
It's funny. I asked a bunch of young western women if there's a change in the female mindset nowadays and they now like girly men who shave all their body hair and use creams. They said they didn't like that very much. It's just a TV thing. So, I guess masculinity still carries the day. |
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NYC_Gal 2.0
Joined: 10 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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| My husband uses moisturizer, but if he doesn't, his skin would get dry under his manly beard. |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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| My wife has got a dressing table and several drawers full of stuff she puts on her face for various reasons, while I have shaving foam and a bar of soap. The cosmetic companies have been dreaming for ages about how much extra money they could make if they could only get men to waste their money on the same amount of stuff. I'm sure articles like this are just part of that. |
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