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andrewchon
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 Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 11:47 pm Post subject: Need help with this question |
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Pick the incorrect response to the question
G: What did you do yesterday?
B:
1. I went fishing.
2. I made some cookies.
3. I did my homework.
4. I played baseball.
This is from YBM chapter 9 grade 5 concerning simple past tenses.
The book says the answer is 3. How does that happen? |
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The Cosmic Hum
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| Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 12:08 am Post subject: Re: Need help with this question |
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| andrewchon wrote: |
Pick the incorrect response to the question
G: What did you do yesterday?
B:
1. I went fishing.
2. I made some cookies.
3. I did my homework.
4. I played baseball.
This is from YBM chapter 9 grade 5 concerning simple past tenses.
The book says the answer is 3. How does that happen? |
It is YBM that needs the help....not you.
Perhaps this wasn't specifically a grammar question but an honesty question...and they know the kids didn't do their homework. 
Although, what I think might be happening...
They didn't mean choose the incorrect answer.
They meant...pick the odd one out.
Maybe a translation thing.
Did is the odd verb in that group. |
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yfb
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| Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 12:34 am Post subject: |
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| All are correct. Trick question. |
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artyom
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| Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 12:52 am Post subject: Re: Need help with this question |
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| The Cosmic Hum wrote: |
Did is the odd verb in that group. |
Why so? |
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The Cosmic Hum
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| Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 2:27 am Post subject: Re: Need help with this question |
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| artyom wrote: |
| The Cosmic Hum wrote: |
Did is the odd verb in that group. |
Why so? |
... in terms of usage....'do' can be used as an auxiliary verb.
Not sure what area of grammar this question is coming from... short of simple past tense.
However, some books do go into detail where the verb 'do' is concerned.
Did you do your homework?
Yes, I did my homework.
verb application
Did you do your homework?
question/ auxiliary application...will you ...can you ...should you... etc....
Do is a standard verb for asking questions(among other things)...where the other verbs are not.
It is also used to reinforce...again auxiliary function.
I did do my homework.
I should do my homework.
I don't eat my spinach.
I should eat my spinach.
We also use do to negate.
Did you make cookies.
No, I did not make cookies
Often...different grammar exercises are given to teach students the alternate usages of the verb 'do'.
I was guessing that maybe this had something to do with that.
Anyway...the odd verb out observation was just a guess on my part...not an excuse for the initial question itself. |
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nora
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| Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 3:29 am Post subject: Re: Need help with this question |
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| The Cosmic Hum wrote: |
| artyom wrote: |
| The Cosmic Hum wrote: |
Did is the odd verb in that group. |
Why so? |
... in terms of usage....'do' can be used as an auxiliary verb.
Not sure what area of grammar this question is coming from... short of simple past tense.
However, some books do go into detail where the verb 'do' is concerned.
Did you do your homework?
Yes, I did my homework.
verb application
Did you do your homework?
question/ auxiliary application...will you ...can you ...should you... etc....
Do is a standard verb for asking questions(among other things)...where the other verbs are not.
It is also used to reinforce...again auxiliary function.
I did do my homework.
I should do my homework.
I don't eat my spinach.
I should eat my spinach.
We also use do to negate.
Did you make cookies.
No, I did not make cookies
Often...different grammar exercises are given to teach students the alternate usages of the verb 'do'.
I was guessing that maybe this had something to do with that.
Anyway...the odd verb out observation was just a guess on my part...not an excuse for the initial question itself. |
So? Number 4 is the odd one out - it's the only regular past tense verb. Go-ed, make-d, do-ed, play-ed. Only play ends with -ed.
But I do like this answer - it's a lot more grammatical, and hence, probably right because of the anal retentiveness of korean grammar questions.
Honestly OP, without better directions (the original korean if there is some), we can't really give you anything other than guesses. |
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artyom
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Yes, while 'do' has a number of functions, in the sentence posted by the OP it acted as a main verb, inflected to show past tense, just like the other examples. I wouldn't say that it was the odd one out among these examples. The fact that 'do' can function as a different part of speech is just an orthographic and phonetic convenience.
I'm not saying that your guess is wrong, but if it were indeed a bad translation, I think 'played' is a more likely candidate for being the odd one out as it is the only regular verb. (make, do and go are all irregular).
Anyway, like you said, at the end of the day it is just a terrible question. |
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edwardcatflap
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| Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 3:55 am Post subject: |
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| They meant...pick the odd one out. |
If they did it was a spectacularly bad idea Odd one out questions are great for prompting discussions but a disaster in formal testing. Far too many viable alternatives. |
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The Cosmic Hum
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| Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 8:11 am Post subject: |
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You'll get no argument from me.
Terrible question.
You are all making good points...and quite right...the variables are endless.
Like I said...it is YBM that needs the help....obviously with test making.
Then again...maybe they teach mind reading in with their reading skills.
I've seen these things too many times before, where they tacitly comment on some obscure grammar point and then later test it as though somehow the kids should be able to deduce what I can barely grasp...not saying that much though...my mind reading skills are pretty sketchy.
If they did make some point...perhaps the OP can shed some light on it.
Otherwise...some good feedback in here...always nice to share the alternative views. |
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YTMND
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| Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 9:40 am Post subject: |
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| From the list "went fishing" isn't really simple past. They might have been expecting "fished". The other ones use simple past (made, did, played). |
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nero
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| Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 9:55 am Post subject: |
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For goodness sakes it's a logic question... 
What student bakes cookies?
What student has time to play baseball?
What student goes fishing?
The clear answer is...the student that 'studies!!" |
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The Cosmic Hum
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| Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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| YTMND wrote: |
| From the list "went fishing" isn't really simple past. They might have been expecting "fished". The other ones use simple past (made, did, played). |
Would you mind expanding on this a bit?
What tense is "went fishing" in your perspective? |
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YTMND
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| Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 7:12 pm Post subject: |
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| The Cosmic Hum wrote: |
| YTMND wrote: |
| From the list "went fishing" isn't really simple past. They might have been expecting "fished". The other ones use simple past (made, did, played). |
Would you mind expanding on this a bit?
What tense is "went fishing" in your perspective? |
As far as a label, it's in the gerund category. I don't know the specific lingo to call it, but we don't "go baking/making", "go doing", or "go playing". We can "go fishing". |
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The Cosmic Hum
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| Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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| YTMND wrote: |
| The Cosmic Hum wrote: |
| YTMND wrote: |
| From the list "went fishing" isn't really simple past. They might have been expecting "fished". The other ones use simple past (made, did, played). |
Would you mind expanding on this a bit?
What tense is "went fishing" in your perspective? |
As far as a label, it's in the gerund category. I don't know the specific lingo to call it, but we don't "go baking/making", "go doing", or "go playing". We can "go fishing". |
Fishing is being used as a gerund in that example.
However, if you were to examine that specific example more closely, you might discover that the verb 'went' is indeed simple past.
But if your point was really just to suggest that the first sentence could also be the odd one out because it was the only one using a verb gerund structure...you would be onto something there.
The whole hobby/activity...do/go/play
where 'make' could also be the odd one out. (make/bake make/build)
I do Yoga.
I go fishing.
I play baseball.
I make cookies.
...is another complete lesson on its own.
Again...the variables are endless. |
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The Cosmic Hum
Joined: 09 May 2003
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| Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 8:07 pm Post subject: Re: Need help with this question |
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| andrewchon wrote: |
Pick the incorrect response to the question
G: What did you do yesterday?
B:
1. I went fishing.
2. I made some cookies.
3. I did my homework.
4. I played baseball.
This is from YBM chapter 9 grade 5 concerning simple past tenses.
The book says the answer is 3. How does that happen? |
hmm...I see another reason for 'do' to be the odd one out.
And also the only really 'correct' answer for the original question.
What did you 'do' yesterday?
Only 3 replies with the verb 'do'
1- Where did you go yesterday? I went fishing.
2- What did you make yesterday? I made some cookies.
3- What did you do yesterday? I did my homework.
4- What did you play yesterday? I played baseball.
...the joys of grammaring. |
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