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Dave Chance
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What differentiates this phenomenom from Cottoneye Joe or Right Said Fred is that this a full-on (K) government-coordinated project with heavy corporate backing. |
Ah, it's a conspiracy. I'm surprised it's taken so long for that suggestion to be thrown out there. Perhaps you can explain then, why the government and corporations decided to give PSY their heavy backing rather than somebody like 2NE1, or any other K singer(s)? |
They tried and failed miserably (to a lesser extent with Wonder Girls) because those lightweights are too easily seen through.
Psy has been presented as a man of substance by virtue of his being 'subversive' and anti-Gangnam/criticizing the wealth-poverty disparity in Korean society (Psy has himself stated the song is about a type of Gangnam woman who is noble in the day and wild at night, and how he is the right man for her) while he carries on with his various endorsements and commericals.
In any case, K-pop and the Korean gov't at the highest levels are blatantly involved and heavily coordinate with each other-
http://www.soompi.com/2012/02/07/jyjs-jaejoong-forces-president-lee-myung-bak-to-leave-in-turkey/
As reported earlier, JYJ�s Jaejoong held his first-ever fan meeting in Turkey on February 5. The following day, he appeared in a youth forum at Ankara University with South Korean President Lee Myung Bak, and was later invited to the Presidential Palace by Turkish President Abdullah Gul.
During the youth forum, Lee Myung Bak held a brief Q&A session with Ankara University students. One fan requested the president to help host a K-Pop concert in Turkey. �I would love to bring K-Pop artists here, but they�re just too busy. When K-Pop artists travel to Europe, I�ll try to convince them to stop by Turkey, too,� the South Korean president said.
He also talked about his story of visiting a school in France. �I met a French student who was fluent in Korean. So I asked her why she chose a Korean major. She said she took Korean in order to learn and understand K-Pop lyrics,� Lee Myung Bak said. �But she said she was disappointed because it�s still hard to understand the lyrics. I told her not to worry because I also have a hard time understanding it,� he added.
At the end, Lee Myung Bak closed his speech with an introduction to JYJ�s Jaejoong. �Before I leave, let me tell you something good. I invited K-Pop star Jaejoong,� the president said, as he jokingly added, �Since Jaejoong is here, I�ll have to get out of here.� |
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tiger fancini
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 7:08 am Post subject: |
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| Dave Chance wrote: |
| tiger fancini wrote: |
| Dave Chance wrote: |
What differentiates this phenomenom from Cottoneye Joe or Right Said Fred is that this a full-on (K) government-coordinated project with heavy corporate backing. |
Ah, it's a conspiracy. I'm surprised it's taken so long for that suggestion to be thrown out there. Perhaps you can explain then, why the government and corporations decided to give PSY their heavy backing rather than somebody like 2NE1, or any other K singer(s)? |
They tried and failed miserably (to a lesser extent with Wonder Girls) because those lightweights are too easily seen through.
Psy has been presented as a man of substance by virtue of his being 'subversive' and anti-Gangnam/criticizing the wealth-poverty disparity in Korean society (Psy has himself stated the song is about a type of Gangnam woman who is noble in the day and wild at night, and how he is the right man for her) while he carries on with his various endorsements and commericals.
In any case, K-pop and the Korean gov't at the highest levels are blatantly involved and heavily coordinate with each other-
http://www.soompi.com/2012/02/07/jyjs-jaejoong-forces-president-lee-myung-bak-to-leave-in-turkey/
As reported earlier, JYJ�s Jaejoong held his first-ever fan meeting in Turkey on February 5. The following day, he appeared in a youth forum at Ankara University with South Korean President Lee Myung Bak, and was later invited to the Presidential Palace by Turkish President Abdullah Gul.
During the youth forum, Lee Myung Bak held a brief Q&A session with Ankara University students. One fan requested the president to help host a K-Pop concert in Turkey. �I would love to bring K-Pop artists here, but they�re just too busy. When K-Pop artists travel to Europe, I�ll try to convince them to stop by Turkey, too,� the South Korean president said.
He also talked about his story of visiting a school in France. �I met a French student who was fluent in Korean. So I asked her why she chose a Korean major. She said she took Korean in order to learn and understand K-Pop lyrics,� Lee Myung Bak said. �But she said she was disappointed because it�s still hard to understand the lyrics. I told her not to worry because I also have a hard time understanding it,� he added.
At the end, Lee Myung Bak closed his speech with an introduction to JYJ�s Jaejoong. �Before I leave, let me tell you something good. I invited K-Pop star Jaejoong,� the president said, as he jokingly added, �Since Jaejoong is here, I�ll have to get out of here.� |
How does this little anecdote relate to what you said earlier?
The Gallagher brothers (from Oasis) went to Tony Blair's house for tea, so does this mean that we can now say that Coldplay's international success is a full-on (British) government coordinated project with heavy corporate backing? |
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JustinC
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 7:25 am Post subject: |
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| tiger fancini wrote: |
| Dave Chance wrote: |
| tiger fancini wrote: |
| Dave Chance wrote: |
What differentiates this phenomenom from Cottoneye Joe or Right Said Fred is that this a full-on (K) government-coordinated project with heavy corporate backing. |
Ah, it's a conspiracy. I'm surprised it's taken so long for that suggestion to be thrown out there. Perhaps you can explain then, why the government and corporations decided to give PSY their heavy backing rather than somebody like 2NE1, or any other K singer(s)? |
They tried and failed miserably (to a lesser extent with Wonder Girls) because those lightweights are too easily seen through.
Psy has been presented as a man of substance by virtue of his being 'subversive' and anti-Gangnam/criticizing the wealth-poverty disparity in Korean society (Psy has himself stated the song is about a type of Gangnam woman who is noble in the day and wild at night, and how he is the right man for her) while he carries on with his various endorsements and commericals.
In any case, K-pop and the Korean gov't at the highest levels are blatantly involved and heavily coordinate with each other-
http://www.soompi.com/2012/02/07/jyjs-jaejoong-forces-president-lee-myung-bak-to-leave-in-turkey/
As reported earlier, JYJ�s Jaejoong held his first-ever fan meeting in Turkey on February 5. The following day, he appeared in a youth forum at Ankara University with South Korean President Lee Myung Bak, and was later invited to the Presidential Palace by Turkish President Abdullah Gul.
During the youth forum, Lee Myung Bak held a brief Q&A session with Ankara University students. One fan requested the president to help host a K-Pop concert in Turkey. �I would love to bring K-Pop artists here, but they�re just too busy. When K-Pop artists travel to Europe, I�ll try to convince them to stop by Turkey, too,� the South Korean president said.
He also talked about his story of visiting a school in France. �I met a French student who was fluent in Korean. So I asked her why she chose a Korean major. She said she took Korean in order to learn and understand K-Pop lyrics,� Lee Myung Bak said. �But she said she was disappointed because it�s still hard to understand the lyrics. I told her not to worry because I also have a hard time understanding it,� he added.
At the end, Lee Myung Bak closed his speech with an introduction to JYJ�s Jaejoong. �Before I leave, let me tell you something good. I invited K-Pop star Jaejoong,� the president said, as he jokingly added, �Since Jaejoong is here, I�ll have to get out of here.� |
How does this little anecdote relate to what you said earlier?
The Gallagher brothers (from Oasis) went to Tony Blair's house for tea, so does this mean that we can now say that Coldplay's international success is a full-on (British) government coordinated project with heavy corporate backing? |
They got invited but refused, if I remember correctly. |
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tiger fancini
Joined: 21 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 7:29 am Post subject: |
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| JustinC wrote: |
| tiger fancini wrote: |
| Dave Chance wrote: |
| tiger fancini wrote: |
| Dave Chance wrote: |
What differentiates this phenomenom from Cottoneye Joe or Right Said Fred is that this a full-on (K) government-coordinated project with heavy corporate backing. |
Ah, it's a conspiracy. I'm surprised it's taken so long for that suggestion to be thrown out there. Perhaps you can explain then, why the government and corporations decided to give PSY their heavy backing rather than somebody like 2NE1, or any other K singer(s)? |
They tried and failed miserably (to a lesser extent with Wonder Girls) because those lightweights are too easily seen through.
Psy has been presented as a man of substance by virtue of his being 'subversive' and anti-Gangnam/criticizing the wealth-poverty disparity in Korean society (Psy has himself stated the song is about a type of Gangnam woman who is noble in the day and wild at night, and how he is the right man for her) while he carries on with his various endorsements and commericals.
In any case, K-pop and the Korean gov't at the highest levels are blatantly involved and heavily coordinate with each other-
http://www.soompi.com/2012/02/07/jyjs-jaejoong-forces-president-lee-myung-bak-to-leave-in-turkey/
As reported earlier, JYJ�s Jaejoong held his first-ever fan meeting in Turkey on February 5. The following day, he appeared in a youth forum at Ankara University with South Korean President Lee Myung Bak, and was later invited to the Presidential Palace by Turkish President Abdullah Gul.
During the youth forum, Lee Myung Bak held a brief Q&A session with Ankara University students. One fan requested the president to help host a K-Pop concert in Turkey. �I would love to bring K-Pop artists here, but they�re just too busy. When K-Pop artists travel to Europe, I�ll try to convince them to stop by Turkey, too,� the South Korean president said.
He also talked about his story of visiting a school in France. �I met a French student who was fluent in Korean. So I asked her why she chose a Korean major. She said she took Korean in order to learn and understand K-Pop lyrics,� Lee Myung Bak said. �But she said she was disappointed because it�s still hard to understand the lyrics. I told her not to worry because I also have a hard time understanding it,� he added.
At the end, Lee Myung Bak closed his speech with an introduction to JYJ�s Jaejoong. �Before I leave, let me tell you something good. I invited K-Pop star Jaejoong,� the president said, as he jokingly added, �Since Jaejoong is here, I�ll have to get out of here.� |
How does this little anecdote relate to what you said earlier?
The Gallagher brothers (from Oasis) went to Tony Blair's house for tea, so does this mean that we can now say that Coldplay's international success is a full-on (British) government coordinated project with heavy corporate backing? |
They got invited but refused, if I remember correctly. |
I think Noel went. |
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JustinC
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 7:32 am Post subject: |
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| tiger fancini wrote: |
| JustinC wrote: |
| tiger fancini wrote: |
| Dave Chance wrote: |
| tiger fancini wrote: |
| Dave Chance wrote: |
What differentiates this phenomenom from Cottoneye Joe or Right Said Fred is that this a full-on (K) government-coordinated project with heavy corporate backing. |
Ah, it's a conspiracy. I'm surprised it's taken so long for that suggestion to be thrown out there. Perhaps you can explain then, why the government and corporations decided to give PSY their heavy backing rather than somebody like 2NE1, or any other K singer(s)? |
They tried and failed miserably (to a lesser extent with Wonder Girls) because those lightweights are too easily seen through.
Psy has been presented as a man of substance by virtue of his being 'subversive' and anti-Gangnam/criticizing the wealth-poverty disparity in Korean society (Psy has himself stated the song is about a type of Gangnam woman who is noble in the day and wild at night, and how he is the right man for her) while he carries on with his various endorsements and commericals.
In any case, K-pop and the Korean gov't at the highest levels are blatantly involved and heavily coordinate with each other-
http://www.soompi.com/2012/02/07/jyjs-jaejoong-forces-president-lee-myung-bak-to-leave-in-turkey/
As reported earlier, JYJ�s Jaejoong held his first-ever fan meeting in Turkey on February 5. The following day, he appeared in a youth forum at Ankara University with South Korean President Lee Myung Bak, and was later invited to the Presidential Palace by Turkish President Abdullah Gul.
During the youth forum, Lee Myung Bak held a brief Q&A session with Ankara University students. One fan requested the president to help host a K-Pop concert in Turkey. �I would love to bring K-Pop artists here, but they�re just too busy. When K-Pop artists travel to Europe, I�ll try to convince them to stop by Turkey, too,� the South Korean president said.
He also talked about his story of visiting a school in France. �I met a French student who was fluent in Korean. So I asked her why she chose a Korean major. She said she took Korean in order to learn and understand K-Pop lyrics,� Lee Myung Bak said. �But she said she was disappointed because it�s still hard to understand the lyrics. I told her not to worry because I also have a hard time understanding it,� he added.
At the end, Lee Myung Bak closed his speech with an introduction to JYJ�s Jaejoong. �Before I leave, let me tell you something good. I invited K-Pop star Jaejoong,� the president said, as he jokingly added, �Since Jaejoong is here, I�ll have to get out of here.� |
How does this little anecdote relate to what you said earlier?
The Gallagher brothers (from Oasis) went to Tony Blair's house for tea, so does this mean that we can now say that Coldplay's international success is a full-on (British) government coordinated project with heavy corporate backing? |
They got invited but refused, if I remember correctly. |
I think Noel went. |
Neither of them attended. |
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tiger fancini
Joined: 21 Mar 2006
Location: Testicles for Eyes
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 7:34 am Post subject: |
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| JustinC wrote: |
| tiger fancini wrote: |
| JustinC wrote: |
| tiger fancini wrote: |
| Dave Chance wrote: |
| tiger fancini wrote: |
| Dave Chance wrote: |
What differentiates this phenomenom from Cottoneye Joe or Right Said Fred is that this a full-on (K) government-coordinated project with heavy corporate backing. |
Ah, it's a conspiracy. I'm surprised it's taken so long for that suggestion to be thrown out there. Perhaps you can explain then, why the government and corporations decided to give PSY their heavy backing rather than somebody like 2NE1, or any other K singer(s)? |
They tried and failed miserably (to a lesser extent with Wonder Girls) because those lightweights are too easily seen through.
Psy has been presented as a man of substance by virtue of his being 'subversive' and anti-Gangnam/criticizing the wealth-poverty disparity in Korean society (Psy has himself stated the song is about a type of Gangnam woman who is noble in the day and wild at night, and how he is the right man for her) while he carries on with his various endorsements and commericals.
In any case, K-pop and the Korean gov't at the highest levels are blatantly involved and heavily coordinate with each other-
http://www.soompi.com/2012/02/07/jyjs-jaejoong-forces-president-lee-myung-bak-to-leave-in-turkey/
As reported earlier, JYJ�s Jaejoong held his first-ever fan meeting in Turkey on February 5. The following day, he appeared in a youth forum at Ankara University with South Korean President Lee Myung Bak, and was later invited to the Presidential Palace by Turkish President Abdullah Gul.
During the youth forum, Lee Myung Bak held a brief Q&A session with Ankara University students. One fan requested the president to help host a K-Pop concert in Turkey. �I would love to bring K-Pop artists here, but they�re just too busy. When K-Pop artists travel to Europe, I�ll try to convince them to stop by Turkey, too,� the South Korean president said.
He also talked about his story of visiting a school in France. �I met a French student who was fluent in Korean. So I asked her why she chose a Korean major. She said she took Korean in order to learn and understand K-Pop lyrics,� Lee Myung Bak said. �But she said she was disappointed because it�s still hard to understand the lyrics. I told her not to worry because I also have a hard time understanding it,� he added.
At the end, Lee Myung Bak closed his speech with an introduction to JYJ�s Jaejoong. �Before I leave, let me tell you something good. I invited K-Pop star Jaejoong,� the president said, as he jokingly added, �Since Jaejoong is here, I�ll have to get out of here.� |
How does this little anecdote relate to what you said earlier?
The Gallagher brothers (from Oasis) went to Tony Blair's house for tea, so does this mean that we can now say that Coldplay's international success is a full-on (British) government coordinated project with heavy corporate backing? |
They got invited but refused, if I remember correctly. |
I think Noel went. |
Neither of them attended. |
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1060252/Oasis-star-Noel-Gallaghers-shocking-revelation-I-took-cocaine-Downing-Street-toilet-reserved-Queen.html |
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Dave Chance
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 8:05 am Post subject: |
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@Tiger Fancini
Getting invited to a gov't function in a musician's native country is a completely different affair from the example I cited; the Korean gov't expressly used a K-popper to cultivate foreign relations at a formal/official government-sanctioned event (coordinated by the K-gov't with their Turkish counterparts).
Needless to say, the obvious differences between the two are glaring and immediately recognizable. |
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tiger fancini
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 8:50 am Post subject: |
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@Tiger Fancini
Getting invited to a gov't function in a musician's native country is a completely different affair from the example I cited; the Korean gov't expressly used a K-popper to cultivate foreign relations at a formal/official government-sanctioned event (coordinated by the K-gov't with their Turkish counterparts).
Needless to say, the obvious differences between the two are glaring and immediately recognizable. |
You claimed that PSY's phenomenon is a full-on Korean government coordinated project with heavy corporate backing. Then as evidence, you mentioned Lee Myung Bak visiting a university in Turkey at the same time as somebody named JYJ's Jaeyoong. How are the two even remotely related? |
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Dave Chance
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 9:54 am Post subject: |
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@Tiger Fancini
Getting invited to a gov't function in a musician's native country is a completely different affair from the example I cited; the Korean gov't expressly used a K-popper to cultivate foreign relations at a formal/official government-sanctioned event (coordinated by the K-gov't with their Turkish counterparts).
Needless to say, the obvious differences between the two are glaring and immediately recognizable. |
You claimed that PSY's phenomenon is a full-on Korean government coordinated project with heavy corporate backing. Then as evidence, you mentioned Lee Myung Bak visiting a university in Turkey at the same time as somebody named JYJ's Jaeyoong. How are the two even remotely related? |
Either your reading comprehension level is remarkably low, or you are deliberately trying to misrepresent information.
So let us look at what was quoted before-
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| At the end, Lee Myung Bak closed his speech with an introduction to JYJ�s Jaejoong. �Before I leave, let me tell you something good. I invited K-Pop star Jaejoong,� the president said, as he jokingly added, �Since Jaejoong is here, I�ll have to get out of here.� |
LMB was not merely visiting the university at the same time as somebody named JYJ's Jaejoong- he was speaking at an event set up by the Korean and Turkish governments, and LMB expressly invited Jaejoong, who is a K-pop 'star', as it were.
If you think that this usage of K-pop for foreign relations/branding/promotion of K-pop was a one-off, isolated example, and sincerely believe that Psy's song has made it solely on the strength of it's artistic merit and his record company (because every one of those hundreds of millions of hits on YouTube were really made by the same number of individuals who all suddenly knew about Psy and K-pop), despite the fact that there are innumerable numbers of other artists with their own company backing whose songs are arguably more engaging, then I'd say get your stockings hung over the fireplace this December so St. Nick can deposit a K-pop honorary badge come Christmas eve. |
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Steelrails
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| If you think that this usage of K-pop for foreign relations/branding/promotion of K-pop was a one-off, isolated example |
Coordinated appearances featuring politicians and celebrities, even overseas, does not equal massive governmental conspiracy.
It equals attempt by the government to promote a certain aspect of the country like tourism, entertainment, or manufactured goods.
Would a joint appearance by Barack Obama and Jeremy Lin at a Chinese basketball stadium as part of a goodwill/humanitarian mission mean that the NBA is an organ of the US government? Does having the Foo Fighters appear at the Democratic National Convention mean they are sponsored by the Obama Administration and are actively working together?
Dave Chance you do realize these things happen all the time with politicians around the world, right?
As for everything else, it's a viral video. Viral videos of the most stupid and inane stuff out there blow up. There's viral hits of cats doing stuff and ducks walking across the road. Viral isn't about artistic merit or how engaging it is. Viral is about that same thing that makes that terrible show America's Funniest Home Videos popular.
But yeah, I guess somehow the Korean Govt and Record labels managed to concoct some diabolical viral scheme to brainwash American celebrities, talk shows, athletes, college students, and tens of millions of random people to all be a part of this thing.
Because going to such lengths was part of the master plan to, uh, to uh, to...make Psy 15 minutes famous? Make millions off of KPop? (As opposed to billions off of something from Samsung/Hyundai) Use it as cover for taking over Dokdo?
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YouTube can track where people log in from to view videos. The largest portion of views came from the US at 47%. Korean views counted for 4%.
Dave Chance fail.
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tiger fancini
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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@Tiger Fancini
Getting invited to a gov't function in a musician's native country is a completely different affair from the example I cited; the Korean gov't expressly used a K-popper to cultivate foreign relations at a formal/official government-sanctioned event (coordinated by the K-gov't with their Turkish counterparts).
Needless to say, the obvious differences between the two are glaring and immediately recognizable. |
You claimed that PSY's phenomenon is a full-on Korean government coordinated project with heavy corporate backing. Then as evidence, you mentioned Lee Myung Bak visiting a university in Turkey at the same time as somebody named JYJ's Jaeyoong. How are the two even remotely related? |
Either your reading comprehension level is remarkably low, or you are deliberately trying to misrepresent information.
So let us look at what was quoted before-
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| At the end, Lee Myung Bak closed his speech with an introduction to JYJ�s Jaejoong. �Before I leave, let me tell you something good. I invited K-Pop star Jaejoong,� the president said, as he jokingly added, �Since Jaejoong is here, I�ll have to get out of here.� |
LMB was not merely visiting the university at the same time as somebody named JYJ's Jaejoong- he was speaking at an event set up by the Korean and Turkish governments, and LMB expressly invited Jaejoong, who is a K-pop 'star', as it were.
If you think that this usage of K-pop for foreign relations/branding/promotion of K-pop was a one-off, isolated example, and sincerely believe that Psy's song has made it solely on the strength of it's artistic merit and his record company (because every one of those hundreds of millions of hits on YouTube were really made by the same number of individuals who all suddenly knew about Psy and K-pop), despite the fact that there are innumerable numbers of other artists with their own company backing whose songs are arguably more engaging, then I'd say get your stockings hung over the fireplace this December so St. Nick can deposit a K-pop honorary badge come Christmas eve. |
My reading comprehension is fine thanks. And I don't think I'm misrepresenting information either. I'm simply disagreeing with your assertion that the reason this video and song went viral and continues to snowball is a result of government co-ordination and heavy corporate backing.
I don't doubt that Myung Bak was using the university thing as a way of promoting foreign relations, but I still don't see how it relates to this video and song's popularity. As per your claim, please show us/explain exactly how this video and song's popularity are a result of government co-ordination and heavy corporate backing. For example, did the government secretly meet with PSY 6 months ago and announce the 'Gangnam Style Project?' Are online government agents working night and day in spreading the video and ultimately making it snowball? Is this all being funded by chaebols? Is there a North Korean connection? Maybe that ginger kid is right...?
Or could it be that possibly, just possibly, the song and video went viral for other reasons? Namely, that we live in an age where the majority of people like bland, mediocre music. They are satisfied with simple, dumbed-down tripe that they can hum along to when they are driving, and then get excited about when they hear it being played at a loud volume in a club or bar. The first thing that springs to mind is LMFAO. |
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Dave Chance
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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| tiger fancini wrote: |
| Dave Chance wrote: |
| tiger fancini wrote: |
| Dave Chance wrote: |
@Tiger Fancini
Getting invited to a gov't function in a musician's native country is a completely different affair from the example I cited; the Korean gov't expressly used a K-popper to cultivate foreign relations at a formal/official government-sanctioned event (coordinated by the K-gov't with their Turkish counterparts).
Needless to say, the obvious differences between the two are glaring and immediately recognizable. |
You claimed that PSY's phenomenon is a full-on Korean government coordinated project with heavy corporate backing. Then as evidence, you mentioned Lee Myung Bak visiting a university in Turkey at the same time as somebody named JYJ's Jaeyoong. How are the two even remotely related? |
Either your reading comprehension level is remarkably low, or you are deliberately trying to misrepresent information.
So let us look at what was quoted before-
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| At the end, Lee Myung Bak closed his speech with an introduction to JYJ�s Jaejoong. �Before I leave, let me tell you something good. I invited K-Pop star Jaejoong,� the president said, as he jokingly added, �Since Jaejoong is here, I�ll have to get out of here.� |
LMB was not merely visiting the university at the same time as somebody named JYJ's Jaejoong- he was speaking at an event set up by the Korean and Turkish governments, and LMB expressly invited Jaejoong, who is a K-pop 'star', as it were.
If you think that this usage of K-pop for foreign relations/branding/promotion of K-pop was a one-off, isolated example, and sincerely believe that Psy's song has made it solely on the strength of it's artistic merit and his record company (because every one of those hundreds of millions of hits on YouTube were really made by the same number of individuals who all suddenly knew about Psy and K-pop), despite the fact that there are innumerable numbers of other artists with their own company backing whose songs are arguably more engaging, then I'd say get your stockings hung over the fireplace this December so St. Nick can deposit a K-pop honorary badge come Christmas eve. |
Or could it be that possibly, just possibly, the song and video went viral for other reasons? Namely, that we live in an age where the majority of people like bland, mediocre music. They are satisfied with simple, dumbed-down tripe that they can hum along to when they are driving, and then get excited about when they hear it being played at a loud volume in a club or bar. The first thing that springs to mind is LMFAO. |
No doubt the majority of the population are persuaded to spring for mediocre music. But the majority of the population in the US also had no freakin' idea who this is PSY guy was and yet before his name was on everyone's lips his video already had tens of millions of hits.
Again, it's similar to when Rain was voted TIME magazine's most influential person of the 2011- hardly anyone in the states knew who he was, yet he received twice as many online votes as the nearest competitor, outpacing Mark Zuckerberg and Obama in the process, which gained him exposure on CNN and other networks.
The Korean gov't (as well as rich elite) are control freaks to an unheard of/unimaginable level. Korea-related things that happen big have their paws involved. Even minor 'why would u even bother?' stuff...at an international arts festival in Hongdae a few years back, a musician turned up the volume during a performance in a club. A gov't official who had been sent to 'supervise' the event expressed his displeasure, so the event organizer turned the volume down, much to the surprise and annoyance to the performers and audience, who were engaged in the performance. Eventually the performer decided it was bollocks and turned the volume back up, much to the delight of everyone but the cringing official and apologetic organizer.
Those who teach in this country note how cowed into towing the line students are, how everyone looks to leader to tell them what is acceptable and therefore 'Korean'. If Psy was really this maverick Korean who was subversive, he'd probably express himself in a somewhat individualistic manner, rather than giving the same carefully rehearsed stock answers in stateside interviews. In these interviews he clarifies that the song isn't subversive when he explains its content, which doesn't match someone who supposedly made the video to let everyone know his criticism of the widening gap between rich and poor in Korean society. Someone who harbored these causes would find a way to at least touch on them rather than grin through his "dress classy, dance cheesy" schtick.
If you know anything about the music industry, you'll know that greasing palms to ensure airplay for a particualr song today is even worse than in the days of payola. Would anyone be surprised to know this is what drives the entertainment business? This is why we often get the case of mediocre songs dominating the airwaves. |
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JustinC
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What differentiates this phenomenom from Cottoneye Joe or Right Said Fred is that this a full-on (K) government-coordinated project with heavy corporate backing. |
Ah, it's a conspiracy. I'm surprised it's taken so long for that suggestion to be thrown out there. Perhaps you can explain then, why the government and corporations decided to give PSY their heavy backing rather than somebody like 2NE1, or any other K singer(s)? |
They tried and failed miserably (to a lesser extent with Wonder Girls) because those lightweights are too easily seen through.
Psy has been presented as a man of substance by virtue of his being 'subversive' and anti-Gangnam/criticizing the wealth-poverty disparity in Korean society (Psy has himself stated the song is about a type of Gangnam woman who is noble in the day and wild at night, and how he is the right man for her) while he carries on with his various endorsements and commericals.
In any case, K-pop and the Korean gov't at the highest levels are blatantly involved and heavily coordinate with each other-
http://www.soompi.com/2012/02/07/jyjs-jaejoong-forces-president-lee-myung-bak-to-leave-in-turkey/
As reported earlier, JYJ�s Jaejoong held his first-ever fan meeting in Turkey on February 5. The following day, he appeared in a youth forum at Ankara University with South Korean President Lee Myung Bak, and was later invited to the Presidential Palace by Turkish President Abdullah Gul.
During the youth forum, Lee Myung Bak held a brief Q&A session with Ankara University students. One fan requested the president to help host a K-Pop concert in Turkey. �I would love to bring K-Pop artists here, but they�re just too busy. When K-Pop artists travel to Europe, I�ll try to convince them to stop by Turkey, too,� the South Korean president said.
He also talked about his story of visiting a school in France. �I met a French student who was fluent in Korean. So I asked her why she chose a Korean major. She said she took Korean in order to learn and understand K-Pop lyrics,� Lee Myung Bak said. �But she said she was disappointed because it�s still hard to understand the lyrics. I told her not to worry because I also have a hard time understanding it,� he added.
At the end, Lee Myung Bak closed his speech with an introduction to JYJ�s Jaejoong. �Before I leave, let me tell you something good. I invited K-Pop star Jaejoong,� the president said, as he jokingly added, �Since Jaejoong is here, I�ll have to get out of here.� |
How does this little anecdote relate to what you said earlier?
The Gallagher brothers (from Oasis) went to Tony Blair's house for tea, so does this mean that we can now say that Coldplay's international success is a full-on (British) government coordinated project with heavy corporate backing? |
They got invited but refused, if I remember correctly. |
I think Noel went. |
Neither of them attended. |
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1060252/Oasis-star-Noel-Gallaghers-shocking-revelation-I-took-cocaine-Downing-Street-toilet-reserved-Queen.html |
So rather than an opportunity-seeking writing genius he's a lying, opp... You get the picture. I don't blame his brother for being such a tw*t now. |
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| This is what I love about Dave's. You click on a thread 5 pages later and it's gone on a whole new direction. Oh the twists and turns of this place.. |
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Moondoggy
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What differentiates this phenomenom from Cottoneye Joe or Right Said Fred is that this a full-on (K) government-coordinated project with heavy corporate backing. |
Ah, it's a conspiracy. I'm surprised it's taken so long for that suggestion to be thrown out there. Perhaps you can explain then, why the government and corporations decided to give PSY their heavy backing rather than somebody like 2NE1, or any other K singer(s)? |
They tried and failed miserably (to a lesser extent with Wonder Girls) because those lightweights are too easily seen through.
Psy has been presented as a man of substance by virtue of his being 'subversive' and anti-Gangnam/criticizing the wealth-poverty disparity in Korean society (Psy has himself stated the song is about a type of Gangnam woman who is noble in the day and wild at night, and how he is the right man for her) while he carries on with his various endorsements and commericals.
In any case, K-pop and the Korean gov't at the highest levels are blatantly involved and heavily coordinate with each other-
http://www.soompi.com/2012/02/07/jyjs-jaejoong-forces-president-lee-myung-bak-to-leave-in-turkey/
As reported earlier, JYJ�s Jaejoong held his first-ever fan meeting in Turkey on February 5. The following day, he appeared in a youth forum at Ankara University with South Korean President Lee Myung Bak, and was later invited to the Presidential Palace by Turkish President Abdullah Gul.
During the youth forum, Lee Myung Bak held a brief Q&A session with Ankara University students. One fan requested the president to help host a K-Pop concert in Turkey. �I would love to bring K-Pop artists here, but they�re just too busy. When K-Pop artists travel to Europe, I�ll try to convince them to stop by Turkey, too,� the South Korean president said.
He also talked about his story of visiting a school in France. �I met a French student who was fluent in Korean. So I asked her why she chose a Korean major. She said she took Korean in order to learn and understand K-Pop lyrics,� Lee Myung Bak said. �But she said she was disappointed because it�s still hard to understand the lyrics. I told her not to worry because I also have a hard time understanding it,� he added.
At the end, Lee Myung Bak closed his speech with an introduction to JYJ�s Jaejoong. �Before I leave, let me tell you something good. I invited K-Pop star Jaejoong,� the president said, as he jokingly added, �Since Jaejoong is here, I�ll have to get out of here.� |
you are dangerously misunderstanding the facts. the president didn't go to turkey to promote jyj or kpop for that matter, but went there to promote relationship between the two countries. he is the top diplomat representing korea not a kpop promoter. if he had given his speech at the turkish parliament he would have brought a folk dance team instead of a kpop star. but the audience was young turks who would prefer kpop to folk dance. you can safely say that the president used jyj to draw better attention of young turks during his visit to turkey, but can't prove that he helped jyj become popular in turkey or else where. please get your facts straight.
perhaps the only thing that the government can help kpop industry would be "exemption from military service" for male kpop artists. that's impossible unless they win olympic medals. |
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