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OBwannabe
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caniff
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Halloween's approaching, and I remember there was some controversy about someone in Seoul at a costume party wearing a CPN-swirly mask.
I also seem to remember that the general consensus was that it wasn't in the best of taste. |
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falco
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| Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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| I remember this guy. Doesnt seem any time at all since it happened. |
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diver
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| Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 3:14 am Post subject: |
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| falco wrote: |
| I remember this guy. Doesnt seem any time at all since it happened. |
Yup. That's because everyone has been so busy running around jumping through a bunch of new hoops because of him. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 4:56 am Post subject: |
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| diver wrote: |
| falco wrote: |
| I remember this guy. Doesnt seem any time at all since it happened. |
Yup. That's because everyone has been so busy running around jumping through a bunch of new hoops because of him. |
I had no problem with most of the hoops. A criminal record check should not be too much to ask for a teaching position, for example.
I did have a problem with the way the Korean government implemented the rules, eg. announcing that you could get a CRC done by your countrys embassy, and then having to backtrack when the embassies said that they did not provide that service. A few other policies were announced, and then retracted, when the government realized they didnt know what they were talking about. |
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nautilus
Joined: 26 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 5:51 am Post subject: |
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| He was the reason Canadians (and only Canadians) required a vulnerable sector search. |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 6:29 am Post subject: |
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| nautilus wrote: |
| He was the reason Canadians (and only Canadians) required a vulnerable sector search. |
Well, I dont think that was because the Korean government was assuming Canadians are more likely to be sex offendors. I think it was because Canada offers the vulnerable sector search, whereas other countries dont. So the Koreans figured they should take advantage of everything that Canadian law provides.
Which is still kind of illogical, because they were allowing people from non-VSS countries to teach. But the whole Korean response to CPN had the overall feel of a drunk searching for his car keys by the sidewalk, even though he lost them in the bushes, because the light is better on the sidewalk. |
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declan74
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| Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 7:12 am Post subject: Re: Chistopher Paul Neil out of prison already. |
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http://news.ca.msn.com/top-stories/teacher-convicted-of-sex-crimes-in-asia-in-bc-custody
According to the wikipedia page on him, his sentence was extended by six years, but he's out now. Should be sent away for 50. |
I was sure this tosser was going to be in jail for 20 plus years. I don't know how it got out after 4 years. Maybe the Thais were tired of providing for him? |
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rollo
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| Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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| The police checks make perfect sense. Sad that it took CPN to wake the Koreans up. Doesnt he face charges in Canada? I would say money changed hands. |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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| The police checks make perfect sense. Sad that it took CPN to wake the Koreans up. Doesnt he face charges in Canada? I would say money changed hands. |
I dont think he faces any charges in Canada. The legal proceedings against him are based on some rarely-used law...
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The RCMP's Integrated Child Exploitation unit obtained a warrant for Neil's arrest under a rarely used section of the Criminal Code that allows arrest if someone's action causes fear of sexual offences to anyone under the age of 16.
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Van Laer says the Crown will likely ask for a set of conditions to be imposed upon Neil.
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I guess if he had originally been convicted in Canada, the courts would be able to impose conditions on him at the time of his release. So, in practice, this might not be as arbitrary as it seems in theory. |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Halloween's approaching, and I remember there was some controversy about someone in Seoul at a costume party wearing a CPN-swirly mask. |
The person who did this was a wayguk? If so, Jesus Christ. Anti-English Spectrum couldnt make up a better example of Why All Foreign Teachers Need To Be Deported. |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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| caniff wrote: |
Halloween's approaching, and I remember there was some controversy about someone in Seoul at a costume party wearing a CPN-swirly mask.
I also seem to remember that the general consensus was that it wasn't in the best of taste. |
What's the statute of limitations on those kind of sick costumes? I know Michael Jackson/Woody Allen pedophilia costumes are generally acceptable by the sick joke crowd.
Or is my Fatty Arbuckle & a coke bottle costume still too soon? |
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rollo
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| Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 11:32 pm Post subject: |
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| I thought Canada was like the U.S. if you got caught child raping overseas you faced charges back in your home country. I know that one pedo from Canada was busted in Cambodia and then faced charges in Canada. Why is neals case different? |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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What's the statute of limitations on those kind of sick costumes? I know Michael Jackson/Woody Allen pedophilia costumes are generally acceptable by the sick joke crowd.
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To me its not so much a question of time. If South Park had done a swirly-face joke a week after Neil was apprehended, it probably wouldnt bother me.
The issue in regards to the guy in Seoul is not when, but who. Its just a really stupid joke for a teacher to be making. Imagine a public-school teacher back home going to a costume party dressed as a known sex offender. If someone posted the photo on the internet, he would lose his job, and likely never get another one. And, depending on the jursidiction, the school board would probably face lawsuits from parents claiming their children were traumatized. |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 11:55 pm Post subject: |
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| rollo wrote: |
| I thought Canada was like the U.S. if you got caught child raping overseas you faced charges back in your home country. I know that one pedo from Canada was busted in Cambodia and then faced charges in Canada. Why is neals case different? |
I am not sure, but I think those laws are applied quite sparingly, and have ended up being, in practice, pretty much symbolic.
When you think about the logistics of it, trans-jusrisdictional court cases would be a real headache. You would have to fly a bunch of witnesses across the ocean, and engage in endless legal shouting-matches about how exactly to apply Canadian law to crimes in other countries. If the country where the crime happened is willing to try the perpetrator, I would guess the home-country is happy to just sit back and watch the fun.
Granted, it might have been easier in Neils case, since photographic evidence existed. But I dont think Canadian prosecutors are generally in the habit of using those provisions. |
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