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lithium
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Today's liberals are not your grandfather's liberals. If you listen to speaches of John F. Kennedy, he often references tax breaks and other conservative, American topics. No, today's liberals are far left, Marxist/Socialist. Obama is a prime example of the Marxist/Socialist type that infiltrated the American government. Hopefully, 3 weeks from today, this experiement with full blown socialism will be defeated.
If you are American and love America as founded, vote Republican. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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| lithium wrote: |
| Today's liberals are not your grandfather's liberals. If you listen to speaches of John F. Kennedy, he often references tax breaks and other conservative, American topics. No, today's liberals are far left, Marxist/Socialist. Obama is a prime example of the Marxist/Socialist type that infiltrated the American government. Hopefully, 3 weeks from today, this experiement with full blown socialism will be defeated. |
This is awful. You haven't pointed to a single policy or piece of evidence to support your audacious claims. This is pure, unadulterated, "the other team is bad and must be defeated" sentiment.
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| If you are American and love America as founded, vote Republican. |
I hope to see the destruction of the two party system in America. Failing that, I wish to see the destruction of the Republican Party as the Libertarian Party rises and replaces it. |
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Mr. BlackCat
Joined: 30 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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| lithium wrote: |
Today's liberals are not your grandfather's liberals. If you listen to speaches of John F. Kennedy, he often references tax breaks and other conservative, American topics. No, today's liberals are far left, Marxist/Socialist. Obama is a prime example of the Marxist/Socialist type that infiltrated the American government. Hopefully, 3 weeks from today, this experiement with full blown socialism will be defeated.
If you are American and love America as founded, vote Republican. |
I would call this a troll because I have a hard time anyone (especially someone who supposedly graduated university) could spout such asinine nonsense. Then I'm reminded that Fox is the most watched cable channel and thousands of mature Americans wear tea bags on their heads in order to keep the government out of their Medicare. I'm not going to rant politically here. I'm not arguing with you. You have no facts, and here they are. You can disagree with what the facts mean, but you can't make up your own facts or redefine words.
The US corporate tax rate is lower now than it was in JFK's time. So is the rate for the richest in the land. It has grown for the average American, you know the workers that Marx hated so much...wait.
The rate is also still lower than almost every other industrialized country in the world. Even if the rate were higher, that would not be a sign of Marxism, but it could mean Socialism. Also, it might help to read a book or two not only to actually understand how silly you sound, but also to stop using two very different terms interchangeably.
The US doesn't have universal health care, which almost every other industrialized country has. It also drags its feet on virtually every socially liberal cause (gay marriage, drugs, civil rights, separation of church and state, etc.) that again every other developed country has dealt with long ago.
If the US is Socialist then that would mean every other industrialized country is...I don't know....super-Socialist? Because there is only a couple of ways the US is any more to the left than any other developed country on Earth (they have a slightly lower tax rate than, say, South Korea).
This whole 'Socialist' thing is just another ploy by certain people to keep the American people occupied while they actually swing politics much more to the right than ever before. Obama's health care plan was virtually identical to Dole's plan in the 90s (and Romney's not too long ago) and suddenly it was co-authored by Marx. Obama proposes to raise taxes on the richest people to Reagan era levels, but now that's a sign he's trying to destroy America. Bush bails out the greedy banks to keep billionaires in business, that's ok. Obama does it with the auto industry to save millions of average jobs and it's a class war.
Of course none of this has anything to do with liberals. Obama isn't a liberal, he's center-right. There are no more liberals in American politics. They're all pro-business, pro-tax cuts, pro-war, anti-rights for anyone but straight white males. Again, this isn't my opinion, it's demonstratable fact. You don't get to label Obama with a bad word just because he does things you don't like. Taking his policies, his stated beliefs, and his actions into consideration, Obama is center-right (he'd fight in with the Canadian Conservative party, for example---although most of them still support universal health care and won't touch gay marriage so maybe he's still too far right for them). I didn't like Bush but I don't get to call him a Fascist because he clearly isn't. And I certainly don't get to call him a conservative fascist libertarian! because I've actually read books and understand words mean things. |
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Mr. BlackCat
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| Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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Twice!
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Mr. BlackCat
Joined: 30 Nov 2005
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Whoopsie!
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NohopeSeriously
Joined: 17 Jan 2011
Location: The Christian Right-Wing Educational Republic of Korea
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| Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 6:24 am Post subject: |
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| lithium wrote: |
Today's liberals are not your grandfather's liberals. If you listen to speaches of John F. Kennedy, he often references tax breaks and other conservative, American topics. No, today's liberals are far left, Marxist/Socialist. Obama is a prime example of the Marxist/Socialist type that infiltrated the American government. Hopefully, 3 weeks from today, this experiement with full blown socialism will be defeated.
If you are American and love America as founded, vote Republican. |
"Real Americans who respect true American values support Paelo-Conservatism. Paleo-Conservatism in the 21st century is no longer represented in both Republicans and Democrats. If you support this form of true American Conservatism, you have to vote for the third parties instead. So vote third parties if you have to."
- How my American friend summarized American politics |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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| NohopeSeriously wrote: |
| lithium wrote: |
Today's liberals are not your grandfather's liberals. If you listen to speaches of John F. Kennedy, he often references tax breaks and other conservative, American topics. No, today's liberals are far left, Marxist/Socialist. Obama is a prime example of the Marxist/Socialist type that infiltrated the American government. Hopefully, 3 weeks from today, this experiement with full blown socialism will be defeated.
If you are American and love America as founded, vote Republican. |
"Real Americans who respect true American values support Paelo-Conservatism. Paleo-Conservatism in the 21st century is no longer represented in both Republicans and Democrats. If you support this form of true American Conservatism, you have to vote for the third parties instead. So vote third parties if you have to."
- How my American friend summarized American politics |
This is correct. The notion that voting Republican is "pro-American" is ridiculous. Republicans and Democrats are all members of the same globalist roundtable groups (CFR, Trilateral Commission etc.) and are equally responsible for putting America's neck under the heals of the the same offshore special interests (Wall Street banks) that have no allegiance to the country whatsoever, and have continually sold America out.
I do think Obama is as bad as it gets, and that Romney has much better rhetoric; unfortunately the latter cannot be trusted anymore than Obama can. Just look at his record of being a corporatist sell-out throughout his political career. A shame, really, because his credentials at Bain Capital were actually pretty solid. |
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NohopeSeriously
Joined: 17 Jan 2011
Location: The Christian Right-Wing Educational Republic of Korea
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| Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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| visitorq wrote: |
| This is correct. The notion that voting Republican is "pro-American" is ridiculous. Republicans and Democrats are all members of the same globalist roundtable groups (CFR, Trilateral Commission etc.) and are equally responsible for putting America's neck under the heals of the the same offshore special interests (Wall Street banks) that have no allegiance to the country whatsoever, and have continually sold America out. |
You have explained it very well. I grew up in Korea, Russia (during the late Yeltsin era) and Canada. I am very bitter about democracy and Marxist-Leninist-influenced Socialism.
We are soon going to welcome a post-democratic world and I think this year's US presidential election will signal the decline of democracy all over the world. Every democratic election around the world has been unproductive and inefficient after the Cold War thanks to the sudden expansion of America-led unregulated market capitalism. Thanks a lot, Reagan.
You see why I'm very religious? I can't believe in democracy and Marxism-Leninism (Neo-Conservatism is a Trotskyist branch of MLism) anymore. |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Democracy is merely a tool, which can be useful for decentralizing power, as long as our basic individual rights are kept sacrosanct (the whole point of the US constitution). But in its purest form, democracy is one of the worst and most unjust forms of governance there is. Imagine 51% voting to enslave the other 49%. Some of the apologists out there (who think Obama has a democratic mandate to whatever he wants) probably find such a prospect reasonable... |
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