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YTMND
Joined: 16 Jan 2012
Location: You're the man now dog!!
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| The details about my current accommodations were to point out that I'm not in a rush. Cost of living is quite affordable here. |
You have a misconception/assumption that living in Korea would be significantly more expensive.
It's true, there are high costs for getting 1 year at an average apartment because the security deposit you must give is absurd. On a good note, if you have the money, then the more you give the lower the rent is per month.
You get the security deposit back. In the long run, it can be more affordable (if there is such a concept) in Korea.
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| Tossing out condescending remarks only further proves the internet is a bottomless toilet. |
I am not trying to talk down to you, but again you have some misconceptions I want to clarify before you actually do arrive in Korea. I think it would be in your best interest to listen rather than become defensive.
When I decide to go to the Middle East, I will seek out people like you to help me attain a job in the Middle East. Yes, logic does help. Right now, it is not logical to go to Syria to teach English. It may not even be allowed, I don't know. Anyway, that's a thread for another day.
Good luck, whatever you do. |
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jargonscott
Joined: 11 Mar 2012
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| Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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| YTMND wrote: |
You have a misconception/assumption that living in Korea would be significantly more expensive.
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If you read through the thread, I didn't express that I thought Korea was significantly more expensive. If anything, I expressed the overall financial ease of my current situation. Depending on lifestyle/apartment/job choices, my cost of living in Seoul could be lower, higher, or in the same ballpark (assuming those choices stay similar to what they are now).
| YTMND wrote: |
It's true, there are high costs for getting 1 year at an average apartment because the security deposit you must give is absurd. On a good note, if you have the money, then the more you give the lower the rent is per month.
You get the security deposit back. In the long run, it can be more affordable (if there is such a concept) in Korea.
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I'm well aware of the key money issue. In fact, it's one of the many reasons I chose to go to KSA before Seoul. I knew if I chose to find my own housing in Seoul, I'd want to be prepared with a hefty sum for my deposit (assuming the school didn't opt to provide the key money).
Anyway, if anyone else has any pros/cons to list in regards to the original post, feel free to chime in. |
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Guajiro
Joined: 04 Dec 2008
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| Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 2:53 am Post subject: |
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I am sorry, we just aren't connecting.
I am trying to logically help you attain a job in Korea. When you bring up things other than those related to your "destination" then it confuses the listener. You will need to work on that if you plan on teaching students. I don't know how they do it in the Middle East, but I guarantee you, no one will understand you here. |
The details about my current accommodations were to point out that I'm not in a rush. Cost of living is quite affordable here. That being said, cost of living isn't the only factor when it comes to deciding where I want to live and work. Perhaps we're not connecting. That's fine.
My original intentions with this thread was to get a list of pros and cons about flying over or applying from aboard. I never once asked for anyone to "logically help me attain a job in Korea". If I've been gainfully employed for the past 17 years, then I think I'm doing alright. All I wanted was a list of pros and cons concerning the two topics at hand. Sadly, threads in this forum (like many other message boards) often devolve into sarcastic, rude, and unhelpful replies. You've never met me, you've never sat in on any of my classes, you've never met any of my supervisors or students. Tossing out condescending remarks only further proves the internet is a bottomless toilet. If we aren't "connecting", please just move on to the next thread you feel compelled to post on. Obviously, your work here is done. |
I've understood every one of your posts. They're quite clear.
I'd say, if you're not in a rush, it would be worth researching various recruiters with positions in Seoul, fielding as many job offers as humanly possible, and taking the one that looks to best fit what you're looking for. You can also post any contract offer you receive in the contract review thread to see if anyone can spot red flags, and ask if anyone has specific negative or positive experiences with school/branch you are applying to. |
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nero
Joined: 11 Mar 2009
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I have understood exactly what you are getting at, too.
I would apply from abroad. See what offers you get. If nothing sticks or they aren't biting, come on over and apply in person.
You are now aware of the pros and cons.
Good luck! |
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pattyb
Joined: 29 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 3:53 pm Post subject: |
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I'm in a similar situation (minus the abundance of funds, lo)
for an american citizen, where would one go (visa run) to get the E2 after finding employment? |
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lorenchristopher
Joined: 25 Dec 2007
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| Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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Advantage of flying in then looking for work = you MIGHT reduce the risk of a crap job and/or crap housing.
Disadvantage(s) = :
i) not likely to get a better salary so you would be kissing away the value of the inbound airfare.
ii) the need for a visa run (the reason why you won't get more money by saving them the inbound airfare).
iii) Depending on circumstances, as a first time E2 applicant, you MAY need a consular interview in your home country before you can get a "first" visa.
iv) settlement costs while you are job hunting (hotel and restaurants) are yours to bear.
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ttompatz I'm sorry, but every time I have come across threads like these over the past few years I always see you post this same information. You do not need to fly back to your home country and interview at a Korean consulate. You can submit your original 4-year degree to a government agency here in Korea for approval (sorry I forget the name of the agency). This process takes about two weeks, and after it is approved then you are all set. The next step would be a visa run to Japan or somewhere, but you do not have to return to your home country for an interview.....even for a first time E2 visa applicant. |
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Zyzyfer
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?
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| Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Obviously, your work here is done. |
As long as you continue to respond, the other poster's work isn't done.
Just to reiterate what ttompatz was basically saying. Since you will probably have to do that consular interview as a first-time E-2 applicant, and since the D-10 is there as a fallback, and since you don't have any existing network to connect you to jobs here in Korea (just assuming that point), your best bet is as was originally stated: line up a job from the States and head over, and bail if it either sucks or if something worth changing jobs comes along.
That said, you can still be picky with recruiters to a degree. As long as your CRC is very recent (I think it goes invalid for E-2 purposes after six months) and you have a roomy budget, hold out for something that sounds relatively decent. No need to take the first job you see or anything.
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| for an american citizen, where would one go (visa run) to get the E2 after finding employment? |
You can go to pretty much any Korean consulate or embassy. Many people go to Japan since it's close and the turnover is relatively fast (two days), but places like Hong Kong, Thailand, etc should also be fine if the window of time is larger. |
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pattyb
Joined: 29 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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| good info. Thank you! |
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lorenchristopher
Joined: 25 Dec 2007
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| Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Zyzyfer wrote: |
| jargonscott wrote: |
| Obviously, your work here is done. |
As long as you continue to respond, the other poster's work isn't done.
Just to reiterate what ttompatz was basically saying. Since you will probably have to do that consular interview as a first-time E-2 applicant, and since the D-10 is there as a fallback, and since you don't have any existing network to connect you to jobs here in Korea (just assuming that point), your best bet is as was originally stated: line up a job from the States and head over, and bail if it either sucks or if something worth changing jobs comes along.
That said, you can still be picky with recruiters to a degree. As long as your CRC is very recent (I think it goes invalid for E-2 purposes after six months) and you have a roomy budget, hold out for something that sounds relatively decent. No need to take the first job you see or anything.
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| for an american citizen, where would one go (visa run) to get the E2 after finding employment? |
You can go to pretty much any Korean consulate or embassy. Many people go to Japan since it's close and the turnover is relatively fast (two days), but places like Hong Kong, Thailand, etc should also be fine if the window of time is larger. |
Please read my above reply to ttompatz. |
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AsiaESLbound
Joined: 07 Jan 2010
Location: Truck Stop Missouri
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| Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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Normally before this year you could get many offers via a recruiter, but now it's a very tight market not only in Korea, but worldwide seeing today the Republic of Georgia TLG canceled all new intakes for the rest of the year where they pay for your flight and put you up for the duration of teaching. This goes to show that lots of people are looking to make the big move to find a way and a means. I've been applying to all the recruiters for Korea for 4 1/2 months to no available offers, but not getting anywhere despite having 2 years experience in Korea. Being 40 instead of 24 is a huge disadvantage in this changing market where schools can be ultra picky. A public school job in the Gangwon rural area according to Jeju ESL asks only for those under 35 years old so that goes to show that it's not easy to get on these days in a PS like it was only 2 years ago. I've been applying for tons of hagwon jobs too, but not getting any offers. I was told by more than one recruiter I'm not youthful enough to satisfy directors, students, and parents. What happened? Tons of young people flooded the market since mid 2010?
On the other hand, China will quickly hire you, but not show any support such as flight and work visa along with you shouldering fairly large out of pocket start up costs. I do not believe it would be much advantage to fly on your own to Korea in search of a job if the recruiters aren't producing offers for you. If no results with recruiters online, it could be just as bad on the ground,but worth the risk if you have the money to burn. |
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