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Ranman
Joined: 18 Aug 2012
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 Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 10:59 pm Post subject: Does this sound fishy at all? |
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I'm applying for a public school position in Gangmon that's in ASAP status. I have a interview with the coordinator, but some of the stuff this recruiter is saying sounds like a load of, excuse my language, bullshit.
"I want to ask you if you are okay with working at any location in Gangwon as you are placed or if you will have problem just in case you are placed at some suburb..
I just don't want to get any other unexpected situation after hiring you because there are some other candidates who are totally fine about that."
Considering that the position is needing to be filled immediately, I'mt understanding the sudden competition.
Also, this little tidbit sounds funny.
"Another point I should tell you is that Teachers in Korea won't get entrance allowance when applying staying in Korea because they are not coming to Korea after applying and after being accepted."
Is this a load of crap, or is this honest in any way?
This whole thing just sounds quite off. |
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JustinC
Joined: 10 Mar 2012
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| Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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The recruiter's English sounds fishy, as does their understanding of the job.
The first point is saying to me "You probably are the best qualified, but if are going to raise a stink about being outside of a major city, don't waste my time".
The 2nd point is worded wrongly; if you're in country you won't receive flight money, but you still get the settlement allowance.
That's how it sounds to me, anyway.. |
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Ranman
Joined: 18 Aug 2012
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| Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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Oh yeah, he's definitely a Korean.
Should I just bring up these questions on the interview Monday night instead? It seems I'll get clearer and more straightforward answers from the lady than I'll get from this guy.
Also, I would be flying in, so does that mean I'm not entitled to the settlement bonus? I'm not understanding what you mean. |
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JustinC
Joined: 10 Mar 2012
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| Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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Flying in means you'll get your flight money back. The settlement allowance (all this is on the assumption that they're offered in the contract) is for your first month of buying nick knacks for your apartment, food, school stuff etc. No flying in = no flight money back, but you'll get the settlement allowance for changing jobs in country or flying in.
Details like that will be in the contract, but asking the coordinator should be okay. Save those details for the 'Any other questions?' bit at the end; shows you're sold on the job, looking forward to arriving, like to think and plan ahead, attention to detail etc. and that you're not just interested/concerned in the money  |
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YTMND
Joined: 16 Jan 2012
Location: You're the man now dog!!
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| Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 11:51 pm Post subject: |
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Oh yeah, he's definitely a Korean.
Should I just bring up these questions on the interview Monday night instead? It seems I'll get clearer and more straightforward answers from the lady than I'll get from this guy.
Also, I would be flying in, so does that mean I'm not entitled to the settlement bonus? I'm not understanding what you mean. |
This is a school to teacher issue. You shouldn't be talking to the recruiter about this.
What is happening is that there is no number 1 candidate teacher. There is a number 1 candidate recruiter. The recruiter that can get a teacher to work for the lowest in the school's mind gets the commission.
So, it makes no sense to go into details with the recruiter. Talk with the school.
If you get a settlement allowance check for 3 things:
1) Will the school actually give you this when you arrive or do you have to wait for your first pay?
2) Even if they give you a settlement allowance, they might take a security deposit from the first to third months. Check the contract.
3) If they give you a settlement allowance, they might not give you it immediately and wait till the first pay. This means, don't depend on it, and if they take out a security deposit it won't look like you got one.
This is why it is important to talk with the school after a recruiter has paired you up with a school.
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Ranman
Joined: 18 Aug 2012
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| Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 11:51 pm Post subject: |
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| So basically ignore what this guy's saying and see what the contract says. Gotcha. |
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cincynate
Joined: 07 Jul 2009
Location: Jeju-do, South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:17 am Post subject: |
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This is a school to teacher issue. You shouldn't be talking to the recruiter about this.
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This is the recruiters job.. to be the intermediary between you and the school during the hiring process.. You should definetly talk to your recruiter about this.
You don't wait until you accept the job to discuss the particulars of compensation and benefits.. You hash those out in the begining, which is the information you use to decide if you want to accept the position or not.
Make sure you have a clear understanding of what your pay and benefits are before you accept the position and apply for the visa. |
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YTMND
Joined: 16 Jan 2012
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:38 am Post subject: |
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| This is the recruiters job.. to be the intermediary between you and the school during the hiring process.. You should definetly talk to your recruiter about this. |
No, they will not be the intermediary when payments are not received 1 month or 10 months into the contract period.
The recruiter has no vested interest in the teacher after the teacher signs the contract.
IT IS NOT WISE FOR THE TEACHER TO RELY ON THE RECRUITER BEFORE SIGNING THE CONTRACT.
Enough said, you have been warned. Talk with the school, not the recruiter.
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| You don't wait until you accept the job to discuss the particulars of compensation and benefits. |
That's not what I meant. You are twisting my words. You should talk to the school before you accept the job, not the recruiter. If you get along with the recruiter, what good does that do if you don't get along with the school?
Talk with the school before you accept the job and you should discuss the particulars to make sure EVERYONE is on the same page. |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 6:07 am Post subject: |
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| They may want employees that will accept anything and you know what that may mean. You actually need to check out the schools that want to hire you since you are in Korea already. That is the most important thing. They may be fishy and they may not. |
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schwa
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Yap
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| Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 11:35 pm Post subject: |
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Standard practice for Gangwon epik.
They never guarantee a specific placement prior to signing. They try to match applicants with the best fit but sometimes cant.
Entrance allowance is contractual. If you apply & are accepted from out of country, you get the 1.3 million. If you apply from in Korea, you dont receive it, & it doesnt matter if you're still coming from somewhere else before actually starting.
The settlement fee is also contractual. Every new employee gets the 300k. But (illogically) dont expect to see it before your first pay, or sometimes even later if your school admin forgets to apply for it.
Did you take the job? |
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byrddogs
Joined: 19 Jun 2009
Location: Shanghai
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| Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2012 2:00 am Post subject: |
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| This is the recruiters job.. to be the intermediary between you and the school during the hiring process.. You should definetly talk to your recruiter about this. |
No, they will not be the intermediary when payments are not received 1 month or 10 months into the contract period.
The recruiter has no vested interest in the teacher after the teacher signs the contract.
IT IS NOT WISE FOR THE TEACHER TO RELY ON THE RECRUITER BEFORE SIGNING THE CONTRACT.
Enough said, you have been warned. Talk with the school, not the recruiter.
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| You don't wait until you accept the job to discuss the particulars of compensation and benefits. |
That's not what I meant. You are twisting my words. You should talk to the school before you accept the job, not the recruiter. If you get along with the recruiter, what good does that do if you don't get along with the school?
Talk with the school before you accept the job and you should discuss the particulars to make sure EVERYONE is on the same page. |
It's not a hagwon job, chinatimes. Unless things have changed, you/he/she/it won't be talking to "the school" prior to taking a ps job. |
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YTMND
Joined: 16 Jan 2012
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| Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2012 2:04 am Post subject: |
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| It's not a hagwon job, chinatimes. Unless things have changed, you/he/she/it won't be talking to "the school" prior to taking a ps job. |
Yes, things changed (at least in 2007 when I came to Korea). I talked with all my public schools before I signed a contract.
You are probably mistaking the application process which has 2 avenues. That's the fork in the road bro!!!!
When I was in Korea, I didn't apply to EPIK, GEPIK, or SMOE directly. Ironically, I used recruiters, and then I met the PUBLIC SCHOOL (Yo wee yo). I visited the school, I talked with the head English teacher, I met the principal, and I introduced them to my Korean girlfriend (at the time).
And then, I gladly signed the contract with the P-U-B-L-I-C S-C-H-O-O-L.
Enough said. Any questions? Things have changed. I don't know when you got Shanghai'd but yes it changed. Update your spreadsheet, yo wee yo. |
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schwa
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2012 2:14 am Post subject: |
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| It would be a major benefit to people seeking accurate current information if YTMND were to stop posting on Korean forums. |
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YTMND
Joined: 16 Jan 2012
Location: You're the man now dog!!
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| Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2012 2:25 am Post subject: |
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| schwa wrote: |
| It would be a major benefit to people seeking accurate current information if YTMND were to stop posting on Korean forums. |
LOL 
Ok, don't talk to public schools. Trust your recruiter 100%.
Really, you guys want to do that?
The school pays the recruiter. We don't. So, their interest is in commission. When there are problems with the school, the recruiter will not help you, but they will help the school to get another teacher (more commission=more money).
If that's how you want it, ignore me. Obey your recruiter master then. I will gladly remove my account if 10% of you actually support this notion of not talking to the school first. |
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byrddogs
Joined: 19 Jun 2009
Location: Shanghai
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| Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2012 2:33 am Post subject: |
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| YTMND wrote: |
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| It's not a hagwon job, chinatimes. Unless things have changed, you/he/she/it won't be talking to "the school" prior to taking a ps job. |
Yes, things changed (at least in 2007 when I came to Korea). I talked with all my public schools before I signed a contract.
You are probably mistaking the application process which has 2 avenues. That's the fork in the road bro!!!!
When I was in Korea, I didn't apply to EPIK, GEPIK, or SMOE directly. Ironically, I used recruiters, and then I met the PUBLIC SCHOOL (Yo wee yo). I visited the school, I talked with the head English teacher, I met the principal, and I introduced them to my Korean girlfriend (at the time).
And then, I gladly signed the contract with the P-U-B-L-I-C S-C-H-O-O-L.
Enough said. Any questions? Things have changed. I don't know when you got Shanghai'd but yes it changed. Update your spreadsheet, yo wee yo. |
You are simply just talking out of your arse now, chinatimes. It's no wonder you bounce all over the place from country to country and can't keep a job. |
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