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Leon
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If you know what you're doing, I would say homeschooling is the way to go. I wouldn't trust the public school system of almost any country. I do think people are confusing the educational culture with the system. I actually like idea of hagwons and the privatization of education, although I do not like it how Koreans go about it.
From what I hear, schools in Seoul nowadays are nothing like when I was a kid. No more daily beatings, better facilities and better extracurricular activities.
However, student violence is apparently still rampant or worse. And like any school system, you do have to worry about the system and teachers indoctrinating your kids with things you don't agree with. |
Just parents indoctrinating their kids with their beliefs, and not giving them a chance to get other ones. One of the most important parts of school is learning social skills as well, all the homeschooled kids I've ever met have lacked social skills, so I'd be wary of doing it if only for that reason. |
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flakfizer
Joined: 12 Nov 2004
Location: scaling the Cliffs of Insanity with a frayed rope.
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| Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 5:10 am Post subject: |
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Seriously Korean schools ARE SCHOOLS. They have their good points and bad points and the "system" (nice catch all term there) is not incompeted. In fact a system cannot be incompeted, some people can be however.
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GJoeM
Joined: 05 Oct 2012
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| Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 5:34 am Post subject: |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 5:35 am Post subject: |
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| Leon wrote: |
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If you know what you're doing, I would say homeschooling is the way to go. I wouldn't trust the public school system of almost any country. I do think people are confusing the educational culture with the system. I actually like idea of hagwons and the privatization of education, although I do not like it how Koreans go about it.
From what I hear, schools in Seoul nowadays are nothing like when I was a kid. No more daily beatings, better facilities and better extracurricular activities.
However, student violence is apparently still rampant or worse. And like any school system, you do have to worry about the system and teachers indoctrinating your kids with things you don't agree with. |
Just parents indoctrinating their kids with their beliefs, and not giving them a chance to get other ones. One of the most important parts of school is learning social skills as well, all the homeschooled kids I've ever met have lacked social skills, so I'd be wary of doing it if only for that reason. |
That is a fair point. I would not be confortable homeschooling our children. I feel it is better for them to be out there in school, meeting other kids, socializing, learning how to act and behave in a larger social setting. However, I am sure homeschooling can be the better option for some people. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 5:52 am Post subject: |
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A few questions for Patrick:
How many children do you have Patrick? Where do they go to school? How are they getting on there? What is your opinion of the pluses and minuses of YOUR OWN children's current education system? What are you basing your assertions on? Theory? Guess work? Your own children? Assumptions? Proof? Statistics? Intuition? |
2 (one son and one daugter, mixed Korean-Canadian)
Our son attended daycare, kindergarten in Korea, along with hakwons. He was about to enter 1st grade when we moved to Canada. Our daughter attended daycare in Korea full time.
They got on great in Korea, made friends...same deal in Canada. Our son was doing very well i Korea and we had no worries about him entering elementary school there. We had found a good school (Korean) near were we lived in Busan. Then when it looked like we were moving to Seoul, we found a good school there (International). In Korean kindergarten he made tons of friends, learned a lot of things, socialized in a group setting with other kids. Same for our daughter at her daycare. Our son loved going to the few Hakwons we sent him too.
In Canada, our son attends a public elementary school. He likes it there and is doing pretty well. He attends Hakwon-type schools here too (swimming, soccer academy, hockey) and goes to Korean school on Saturday mornings for a couple of hours.
So my conclusions are based on my experience as a parent, my experiences as a teacher, the experiences of our friends with mixed or foreign kids in Korea over the 11 years I was there.
All I said by the way was that I would not feel confortable homeschooling my kids and that I prefer sending them to school. Do not take that as some form of judgement, it is only my opinion and my preference based on experience. |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 6:15 am Post subject: |
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"Just parents indoctrinating their kids with their beliefs, and not giving them a chance to get other ones. One of the most important parts of school is learning social skills as well, all the homeschooled kids I've ever met have lacked social skills, so I'd be wary of doing it"
Wow -- What an incredible sweeping over generalisation.
How many homeschool kids have you met? In what ways did they lack social skills?
A few questions for you Leon :
How many children do you have Leon? Where do they go to school? How are they getting on there? What is your opinion of the pluses and minuses of YOUR OWN children's current education system? How much education theory have you studied at graduate and post graduate theory ?
Forgive me for asking -- but since you so sweepingly assert that homeschooling is 'indocrinaition' and it 'lessens social skills', and we should be 'wary of it', then I think my questions are reasonable. |
One poster warned of teachers indoctrinating kids, so I was just pointing out that home schooled kids have only one, or two teachers, who they live with, so their chances to get different viewpoints are limited at best. I've met maybe four of five home schooled kids and they've all had noticeably less social skills and seemed awkward. |
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GJoeM
Joined: 05 Oct 2012
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 4:38 am Post subject: |
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| That is fine and dandy but as I said in response to that in the other thread: let's not go too far with this as this situation is not black and white. |
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GJoeM
Joined: 05 Oct 2012
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| Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 5:40 am Post subject: |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 5:45 am Post subject: |
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Pat, why do you care if people discuss it? What is in it for you? I notice you keep on trying to step in the way of debate. If you don't like the topic, leave it to people who do. No one is trying to influence you, you know.
As far as I can see, you don't even live here in Korea anymore, and keep on going on about your friend's experiences.
Why do you keep on trying to step in,huffily expressing disapproval, and stamping about, when you don't even live here and your kids are in Canada? |
You missunderstood me I think. Anyway, if you felt offended, you have my apologies.
Take care and again, I wish nothing but the best to you and your family.
I am curious about homeschooling as it is an educational option. Still, since this is a critical issue to you and you feel you want to discuss it with people of like mind I will not post in this thread again so as to not derail it.
Take care. |
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fosterman
Joined: 16 Nov 2011
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| Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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not a fan of homeschooling for the first 13 or 14 years of life..
after that, sure why not up to you..
but home schooling your child throughout all your child's school life
will only result in social and isolation issues in the future and probably
your child will end up blame you in the future.
why not ask your child if she or he wants to be homeschool
instead of forcing it on your child.
reminds me of forced circumcision and forced religion!!! |
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