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chachee99
Joined: 20 Oct 2004
Location: Seoul Korea
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 Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 4:10 am Post subject: CRC Canadians RCMP or CPIC |
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Hi,
Does immigration require Canadians to submit an RCMP fingerprint check or will a CPIC national name data search work. I am aware that all criminal record checks need to be nortarized and stamped by the Korean consulate. However the RCMP check is a lot more work.
Also, does the type of CRC matter for different types of visas? Such as C4, E2 or E1? |
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ren546
Joined: 17 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 12:06 am Post subject: |
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| Do RCMP. Immigration used to take CPIC, but now they want RCMP. Immigration accepted my name check in March, but later told university administration where I work that I needed to submit an RCMP check within the next six months. |
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s.tickbeat
Joined: 21 Feb 2010
Location: Gimhae
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| Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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If you're actually in Canada, you can really go to any local RCMP office and they'll have your CRC ready in the next two or three weeks. You shouldn't need the fingerprint search, immigration just really wants to have the RCMP logo in the corner. If it's legalized by the consular office, it should be accepted.
If you're in Korea, you're kind of screwed. The only things the RCMP accepts from abroad are fingerprint forms, and the only thing that the Canadian consular office accepts here is the RCMP check. SO to run through the channels here, you've got to have the full RCMP check done.
But, like I said, as long as you have the RCMP on the paper, it'll be accepted. If you're applying within Canada, it shouldn't take more than a few weeks. From Korea, plan on it taking months. I applied in June and just got my new check a few weeks ago.
As soon as you land in Korea, organize yourself for a new RCMP check and KEEP IT UP TO DATE. That means a new fingerprint search application every three months or so. It's the one document that always screws Canadians, if they need to switch jobs but can't get the release letter. KEEP YOUR CRC/CBC UP TO DATE. |
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ren546
Joined: 17 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 1:53 am Post subject: |
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| But, like I said, as long as you have the RCMP on the paper, it'll be accepted. If you're applying within Canada, it shouldn't take more than a few weeks. From Korea, plan on it taking months. I applied in June and just got my new check a few weeks ago. |
This isn't really true anymore. It used to be true, but not anymore. The first check I submitted in March was from an RCMP detachment, but I had to submit another one anyway. It now has to be the fingerprint check from Ottawa. |
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Wildbore
Joined: 17 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 2:05 am Post subject: |
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| ren546 wrote: |
| s.tickbeat wrote: |
| But, like I said, as long as you have the RCMP on the paper, it'll be accepted. If you're applying within Canada, it shouldn't take more than a few weeks. From Korea, plan on it taking months. I applied in June and just got my new check a few weeks ago. |
This isn't really true anymore. It used to be true, but not anymore. The first check I submitted in March was from an RCMP detachment, but I had to submit another one anyway. It now has to be the fingerprint check from Ottawa. |
Wrong. On the Korean language Korean immigration website it says an RCMP or CPIC is OK. Fingerprints aren't required, just a name-check is. If the immigration officer is a clueless brick, just print out the immigration page and CPIC should be fine. BTW I used a CPIC check 3 months ago, had no questions or problems. |
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NilesQ
Joined: 27 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 8:38 am Post subject: |
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It's strange that a distinction is even made. CPIC is a database administered by the RCMP. If you get your check done by the RCMP or any other police force in Canada, they will be checking your name and/or fingerprints against CPIC.
If you have ever been arrested, fingerprinted, and photographed by a police force in Canada, you have a CPIC file. Even if the charges were later dropped, your name will show that a CPIC file exists on you. That is enough to be refused entry into the USA. US boarder guards have realtime access to CPIC. If the charges were dropped or you were found not guilty, you must ask the arresting police force to ask the RCMP to destroy the photo and fingerprints. That will mean the destruction of your CPIC file. This is true, I went through the process myself. |
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michpottier
Joined: 03 May 2010
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| Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 8:57 am Post subject: |
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I agree with you. Just a note, that the USA does not automatically ban you for any criminal record appearance. In fact it says on their website that things like DUI's, misdemeanors, traffic violations, will not automatically ban you from the USA (they may question you for more info, but there is no law that states automatic inadmissibility). They are over zealous with any kind of drug charge though, because it is the US. Oddly enough Canada has automatic bans set in place with anyone with any kind of record no mater how old or insignificant (it's the law and it makes Canadian border guards' jobs easier). One of the rare cases where Canada is more strict than the USA. Strange but true.
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It's strange that a distinction is even made. CPIC is a database administered by the RCMP. If you get your check done by the RCMP or any other police force in Canada, they will be checking your name and/or fingerprints against CPIC.
If you have ever been arrested, fingerprinted, and photographed by a police force in Canada, you have a CPIC file. Even if the charges were later dropped, your name will show that a CPIC file exists on you. That is enough to be refused entry into the USA. US boarder guards have realtime access to CPIC. If the charges were dropped or you were found not guilty, you must ask the arresting police force to ask the RCMP to destroy the photo and fingerprints. That will mean the destruction of your CPIC file. This is true, I went through the process myself. |
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ren546
Joined: 17 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 6:35 am Post subject: |
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| Wildbore wrote: |
| ren546 wrote: |
| s.tickbeat wrote: |
| But, like I said, as long as you have the RCMP on the paper, it'll be accepted. If you're applying within Canada, it shouldn't take more than a few weeks. From Korea, plan on it taking months. I applied in June and just got my new check a few weeks ago. |
This isn't really true anymore. It used to be true, but not anymore. The first check I submitted in March was from an RCMP detachment, but I had to submit another one anyway. It now has to be the fingerprint check from Ottawa. |
Wrong. On the Korean language Korean immigration website it says an RCMP or CPIC is OK. Fingerprints aren't required, just a name-check is. If the immigration officer is a clueless brick, just print out the immigration page and CPIC should be fine. BTW I used a CPIC check 3 months ago, had no questions or problems. |
Sorry, but the fact that I was asked by immigration to submit another one can't really be "wrong". They want the forms to look the same (the CPIC check doesn't look the same).
I'm through Seoul Immigration. It's possible others are different, but it's not worth the risk. |
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Guajiro
Joined: 04 Dec 2008
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| Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 2:35 pm Post subject: |
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| ren546 wrote: |
| Wildbore wrote: |
| ren546 wrote: |
| s.tickbeat wrote: |
| But, like I said, as long as you have the RCMP on the paper, it'll be accepted. If you're applying within Canada, it shouldn't take more than a few weeks. From Korea, plan on it taking months. I applied in June and just got my new check a few weeks ago. |
This isn't really true anymore. It used to be true, but not anymore. The first check I submitted in March was from an RCMP detachment, but I had to submit another one anyway. It now has to be the fingerprint check from Ottawa. |
Wrong. On the Korean language Korean immigration website it says an RCMP or CPIC is OK. Fingerprints aren't required, just a name-check is. If the immigration officer is a clueless brick, just print out the immigration page and CPIC should be fine. BTW I used a CPIC check 3 months ago, had no questions or problems. |
Sorry, but the fact that I was asked by immigration to submit another one can't really be "wrong". They want the forms to look the same (the CPIC check doesn't look the same).
I'm through Seoul Immigration. It's possible others are different, but it's not worth the risk. |
I've heard of a few rogue immigration officers declining perfectly good background checks because they're not RCMP for the last year-plus. I would say it is possible for them to be wrong. They didn't know their own policy. That said, the policy could have changed, but it would be quite silly since local police departments can get police checks from the same national database. |
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Wildbore
Joined: 17 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 6:24 am Post subject: |
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| ren546 wrote: |
| Wildbore wrote: |
| ren546 wrote: |
| s.tickbeat wrote: |
| But, like I said, as long as you have the RCMP on the paper, it'll be accepted. If you're applying within Canada, it shouldn't take more than a few weeks. From Korea, plan on it taking months. I applied in June and just got my new check a few weeks ago. |
This isn't really true anymore. It used to be true, but not anymore. The first check I submitted in March was from an RCMP detachment, but I had to submit another one anyway. It now has to be the fingerprint check from Ottawa. |
Wrong. On the Korean language Korean immigration website it says an RCMP or CPIC is OK. Fingerprints aren't required, just a name-check is. If the immigration officer is a clueless brick, just print out the immigration page and CPIC should be fine. BTW I used a CPIC check 3 months ago, had no questions or problems. |
Sorry, but the fact that I was asked by immigration to submit another one can't really be "wrong". They want the forms to look the same (the CPIC check doesn't look the same).
I'm through Seoul Immigration. It's possible others are different, but it's not worth the risk. |
Then the person you were dealing with was ignorant. The look of the CRC is irrelevent, what matters is if it says it is from the RCMP or from the National Repository. A local/city force will issue the ladder CRC, and it is acceptable as far as the immigration regulations are concerned.
Here is the information on the Korean immi website (hikorea.com [korean language version]) for the CRC for an E2 Visa. I BOLDED where it says a check from the National Repository of Criminal Records (CPIC) is satisfactory for obtaining the visa.
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<주요 국가 범죄경력증명서 발급기관 및 명칭 등(예시>
미국 : FBI(Federal Bureau of Investigation)범죄경력서, 주정부(State) 범죄경력증명서(미국 전역의 범죄경력이 포함되어 발급된 경우)
캐나다 : Royal Cannadian Mounted Police 발급 RCMP, National Repository of Criminal Records 등
영국 : Home Office, Police(Criminal Records Bureau, Disclosure Scotland, Access Northern Ireland, ACPO Criminal Records Office)등이 발급한 Basic Disclosure, Request for Information, ACPO Criminal Records Office Authentic Document 등
호주 : AFP(Australian Federal Police)발급 Standard Disclosure, National Police Certificate 등
남아프리카공화국 : South African Police Service 발급 Clearance Certificate 등
아이랜드 : The national police of the Republic of Iland 발급 Police Certificate 등
뉴질랜드 : Ministry of Juistice 발급 범죄경력서 |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 5:26 am Post subject: Re: CRC Canadians RCMP or CPIC |
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I am aware that all criminal record checks need to be nortarized and stamped by the Korean consulate.
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Get it notarized by whoever does the CBC for you. I don't know if the Korean embassy will notarize it for you. Make it simpler and more sure for yourself |
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ren546
Joined: 17 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 1:46 pm Post subject: |
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Then the person you were dealing with was ignorant. The look of the CRC is irrelevent, what matters is if it says it is from the RCMP or from the National Repository. A local/city force will issue the ladder CRC, and it is acceptable as far as the immigration regulations are concerned.
Here is the information on the Korean immi website (hikorea.com [korean language version]) for the CRC for an E2 Visa. I BOLDED where it says a check from the National Repository of Criminal Records (CPIC) is satisfactory for obtaining the visa. |
I've submitted two national checks without prints, and like I said, I was asked to submit the fingerprint check. I work for a top university in Seoul, and immigration called my university and asked for a new check after I had already submitted the old one (they did, however, give me a few months to submit it). Maybe the old check will suffice, but given my experiences, the best advice I have is to start with the fingerprint process now so you're not disappointed later. |
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Wildbore
Joined: 17 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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I've submitted two national checks without prints, and like I said, I was asked to submit the fingerprint check. I work for a top university in Seoul, and immigration called my university and asked for a new check after I had already submitted the old one (they did, however, give me a few months to submit it). Maybe the old check will suffice, but given my experiences, the best advice I have is to start with the fingerprint process now so you're not disappointed later. |
You could have asked them to show you a regulation that requires fingerprinting or an RCMP check, or better, to send you a request "in writing" for a new criminal record check, to get the details on what regulation you violated to trigger their new request. Sounds like someone at immigration where you live wasn't doing their job.
Yes, and for the others, if you are in Canada, it only takes 3 days to get the RCMP fingerprint check, that is if you are willing to pay more and you need to go to a place with the digital fingerprint scanner. |
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ren546
Joined: 17 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 11:41 pm Post subject: |
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| You could have asked them to show you a regulation that requires fingerprinting or an RCMP check, or better, to send you a request "in writing" for a new criminal record check, to get the details on what regulation you violated to trigger their new request. Sounds like someone at immigration where you live wasn't doing their job. |
HAHAHAHAHA...riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
As for details "in writing", I was in the Academic Affairs office when a member of the administrative staff called immigration clerk who was handling our documents that semester. They wanted the fingerprint check, but they were willing to give me the time to get it. I believe this has to do with the fact that the database checks all look different, and whoever was in charge was getting frustrated by this fact.
As for "where I live"...I don't live out in the country. I live in central Seoul.
TO THE OP: Ultimately, you can check any rules that you want. At the end of the day, if the clerk decides to ask for some other document, you will have to provide it. You can fight with them for 10 hours, or you can just get the fingerprint check over with (because they will ask for it eventually). |
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SpiralStaircase
Joined: 14 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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| At the end of the day, if the clerk decides to ask for some other document, you will have to provide it. You can fight with them for 10 hours, or you can just get the fingerprint check over with (because they will ask for it eventually). |
BINGO. No rights, no wrongs, this is the reality. |
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