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clm55
Joined: 03 Oct 2012
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 Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 6:34 am Post subject: Public Intoxication hurting chances for job? |
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Hello all. First off, sorry if this is in the wrong section. I've had contact with Rilee from KorVia and filled out an EPIK application (I'm more interested in GEPIK, but filled this one out anyway), and I included in the application that I was arrested for public intoxication. She told me this would really hurt my chances and I might have a better chance NOT applying through KorVia, but to do it through EPIK directly. I told her I was more interested in GEPIK and asked when the application would be available, and she told me flat out that I would not be eligible for GEPIK. So my questions are...
Is this even really an issue in Korea? I've heard from a handful of people that alcohol isn't an issue in Korea like it is in the US and that an offense like this wouldn't even be illegal there and if it is, it really isn't enforced. How much truth is there to this?
I actually have not received my background check yet, so my arrest might not even show up. I'm assuming it will, but I'm just not sure. If it doesn't, do I even have to include that on the part of the application where it asks for any criminal offenses other than a minor traffic violation?
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 6:39 am Post subject: |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 6:42 am Post subject: |
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If your national background check (FBI, RCMP, etc) comes back with anything other than, "No Record Found" your chances of successfully getting a visa (even if you could find an employer) rapidly drop to "0".
Wait till you actually receive your FBI check and confirmed the record on it.
If NO then get your check done. You might get lucky. If it is not there then it is a non-issue (don't mention it).
If yes, and there was a record reported, then pick another country; Japan, Thailand, Cambodia, Laos as examples, don't require a national police checks and you get get around the minor offense issue.
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 6:43 am Post subject: Re: Public Intoxication hurting chances for job? |
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| clm55 wrote: |
do I even have to include that on the part of the application where it asks for any criminal offenses other than a minor traffic violation?
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Anything other than a traffic violation you have to include and explain unless of course it doesn't show up on the FBI check. It sucks that they would waste thier time with that. |
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clm55
Joined: 03 Oct 2012
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| Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 6:59 am Post subject: |
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| ttompatz wrote: |
If your national background check (FBI, RCMP, etc) comes back with anything other than, "No Record Found" your chances of successfully getting a visa (even if you could find an employer) rapidly drop to "0".
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Would this be an issue on the US side of things or the Korean side? In other words, is it going to be issue to get a Visa for any (or most) countries? |
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Triple007
Joined: 29 Nov 2010
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| This is a really tricky situation. Everyone says "no", however it is possible for you to get a job at a hagwon if you give the school permission. Often bigger hagwons have more "influence" in obtaining the visa than small ones. I worked at an Avalon the first year and my girlfriend had a DUI on her record from about 2 years prior and there were no complications and she got a VISA no problem. Of course we were freaking out that we would not be accepted. I will send you a PM with instructions on how to approach recruiters. |
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Wildbore
Joined: 17 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 10:31 am Post subject: Re: Public Intoxication hurting chances for job? |
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| clm55 wrote: |
Hello all. First off, sorry if this is in the wrong section. I've had contact with Rilee from KorVia and filled out an EPIK application (I'm more interested in GEPIK, but filled this one out anyway), and I included in the application that I was arrested for public intoxication. She told me this would really hurt my chances and I might have a better chance NOT applying through KorVia, but to do it through EPIK directly. I told her I was more interested in GEPIK and asked when the application would be available, and she told me flat out that I would not be eligible for GEPIK. So my questions are...
Is this even really an issue in Korea? I've heard from a handful of people that alcohol isn't an issue in Korea like it is in the US and that an offense like this wouldn't even be illegal there and if it is, it really isn't enforced. How much truth is there to this?
I actually have not received my background check yet, so my arrest might not even show up. I'm assuming it will, but I'm just not sure. If it doesn't, do I even have to include that on the part of the application where it asks for any criminal offenses other than a minor traffic violation?
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WTF? If you are seriously asking this question, I wonder about your competence to teach anyone, period.
A criminal offense is BY DEFAULT a serious violation of the law. Anything lessor, such as a violation or infraction of a non-criminal statute, would be dealt with in a civil or regulatory fashion. Huge facepalm ><. YES YOU MUST LIST ALL CRIMINAL OFFENSES. |
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clm55
Joined: 03 Oct 2012
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| Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 1:57 pm Post subject: Re: Public Intoxication hurting chances for job? |
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| Wildbore wrote: |
WTF? If you are seriously asking this question, I wonder about your competence to teach anyone, period.
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Thanks for your tip but the same could be said about your competence if you are that quick to judge. I came on here because I'm unfamiliar with how laws work between countries. Surely you weren't born with such obvious knowledge - you learned these things along the way, and this is just how I chose to do it.
Anyway, it looks like there are varying ideas about this, so I will wait until I get my record to take the next step. In the mean time, I'll look into getting it expunged.
Thanks for the help everyone! |
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YTMND
Joined: 16 Jan 2012
Location: You're the man now dog!!
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| Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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| I was arrested for public intoxication |
You had to have done something more than just being intoxicated in public (Reckless behavior? Something like that.) |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 2:21 pm Post subject: |
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| clm55 wrote: |
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If your national background check (FBI, RCMP, etc) comes back with anything other than, "No Record Found" your chances of successfully getting a visa (even if you could find an employer) rapidly drop to "0".
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Would this be an issue on the US side of things or the Korean side? In other words, is it going to be issue to get a Visa for any (or most) countries? |
The issue is on the Korean side... K-immigration has to issue a visa confirmation number and it is unlikely to get past them.
Once they issue the visa confirmation number then the consulate is simply a verification of documents and rubber stamp (sticker now-a-days) in your passport.
Some countries are fussy (China, Taiwan, Korea) and some are not (an out of state, state level check will suffice (Thailand, Cambodia, Laos)) or one may not be needed at all (Japan).
In some countries it is common to work illegally (buxibans in Taiwan, language schools in Thailand) on tourist visas but it is not recommended.
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YTMND
Joined: 16 Jan 2012
Location: You're the man now dog!!
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| Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Some countries are fussy (China, Taiwan, Korea) |
I have worked at 3 schools so far in China, and none of them have asked for a criminal background check of any sort. They are more concerned about people showing degrees before issuing a foreign expert certificate (which functions like an ARC card outside of residence issues). |
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cincynate
Joined: 07 Jul 2009
Location: Jeju-do, South Korea
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| I have worked at 3 schools so far in China, and none of them have asked for a criminal background check of any sort. They are more concerned about people showing degrees before issuing a foreign expert certificate (which functions like an ARC card outside of residence issues). |
I thought China was the place to go for people with records? I agree with YTMND, if your public intoxication shows up on your FBI check, I would try China.. |
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Bollocks
Joined: 12 Feb 2009
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They poop in the street in China. Don't go there.
Pay for a pardon if you have to. Work anywhere but China. It is a terrible place. Nobody should be there. |
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byrddogs
Joined: 19 Jun 2009
Location: Shanghai
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They poop in the street in China. Don't go there.
Pay for a pardon if you have to. Work anywhere but China. It is a terrible place. Nobody should be there. |
^ Hahaha. There is some truth to that (farmer grannies letting babies poop and all sometimes). As for the rest, China is big and there are many not "terrible" places.
I've been in Shanghai for 2 years after having lived in Seoul for 5. I have met a good number of people that had worked in Korea prior to coming here. While most of them liked Korea well enough, all of them prefer here to there.
Thanks for the laugh, though. |
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nautilus
Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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| Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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And ajosshis are never publicly intoxicated.
Especially not every evening from 6pm onwrds on almost every street in the city. |
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