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Fabulous
Joined: 08 Sep 2012
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 Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 6:24 pm Post subject: A follow up to my previous questions about quitting early... |
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So I posted about quitting my hagwon job for a better non-teaching job a little while ago. I still have a few more questions before I let them know that I am quitting.
1. I plan on giving them less than a weeks notice after getting paid (it just happened to work out that way.) I have no choice, I'll need to leave quickly. My contract says I must give 60 days notice, but I've read that 30 days is the maximum under the labor law. My question is, is there anything that they can do to stop me from getting a new visa if I leave under such short notice? I could care less about getting a LOR, because I have all of my documents to reapply for a new visa.
2. I was hired in Korea, so I don't have to pay back any airfare. However, I do need to pay for my apartment's utilities, and the bill won't arrive until a month after I quit. I also don't want to just give the money to my employer so she can pay it. Over time I've noticed that my boss is a bit of a loose cannon, so I don't really trust her, or anyone, to pay the bills for me (honestly I think she'll just pocket the money and say I didn't pay.) I have the feeling that they're going to be unreasonable about me quitting and I want to cover all of these potential problems, so they have nothing to use against me. How can I go about paying my utility bills that will produce receipts that I can keep and use as proof that I didn't leave them stuck with the bill? Is it as easy as calling the utility companies and asking to pay my bills early?
3. Is there ANY possible way that they can keep me from getting a new visa? My boss is quite strange and I can see her freaking out over this, so I want to make sure nothing keeps me from getting a new visa. What exactly can I expect if my hagwon wants to make an issue out of this? Does anyone here have experience quitting with short notice and successfully receiving a new visa without an LOR?
4. Labor laws. Can anyone find that actual part of the law that stipulates that I can quit anytime I want to? I tried searching, but couldn't find what i was looking for. I know they'll make an issue out of this, so I want to be prepared to show them that the law is on my side and hopefully that will deter them from making an issue out of this.
5. When I quit, should I write up a letter of resignation or just tell them verbally?
6. I know saving face is important here, so I'm considering just making up a story about why I have to leave (i.e. My parents want me to come back home, I'm having some personal issues that need sorting out, my health isn't so good and I need to take a break, I'm having some financial issues, etc...) Would this be a better idea than saying that I got a better job offer?
The people I work with aren't bad people, but I have a really hard time reading them and gauging their personalities, so I'm quite nervous about going through with this. Not knowing how they're going to react and handle this situation is the worst part. Any help you guys can give me would be much appreciated.  |
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newb
Joined: 27 Aug 2012
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 6:57 pm Post subject: Re: A follow up to my previous questions about quitting earl |
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| Fabulous wrote: |
So I posted about quitting my hagwon job for a better non-teaching job a little while ago. I still have a few more questions before I let them know that I am quitting.
1. I plan on giving them less than a weeks notice after getting paid (it just happened to work out that way.) I have no choice, I'll need to leave quickly. My contract says I must give 60 days notice, but I've read that 30 days is the maximum under the labor law. My question is, is there anything that they can do to stop me from getting a new visa if I leave under such short notice? I could care less about getting a LOR, because I have all of my documents to reapply for a new visa.
It's not you that's "required" to give 30 days notice. It's the employer. Although I don't recommend it, but you can give your employer 1 second notice. You can give up your ARC card at the airport immigration and that will effectively cancel your existing visa.
2. I was hired in Korea, so I don't have to pay back any airfare. However, I do need to pay for my apartment's utilities, and the bill won't arrive until a month after I quit. I also don't want to just give the money to my employer so she can pay it. Over time I've noticed that my boss is a bit of a loose cannon, so I don't really trust her, or anyone, to pay the bills for me (honestly I think she'll just pocket the money and say I didn't pay.) I have the feeling that they're going to be unreasonable about me quitting and I want to cover all of these potential problems, so they have nothing to use against me. How can I go about paying my utility bills that will produce receipts that I can keep and use as proof that I didn't leave them stuck with the bill? Is it as easy as calling the utility companies and asking to pay my bills early?
Give 'em your email address so that they can send you the bill. You can direct deposit to utility companies.
3. Is there ANY possible way that they can keep me from getting a new visa? My boss is quite strange and I can see her freaking out over this, so I want to make sure nothing keeps me from getting a new visa. What exactly can I expect if my hagwon wants to make an issue out of this? Does anyone here have experience quitting with short notice and successfully receiving a new visa without an LOR?
Nothing. If you haven't broken any law.
4. Labor laws. Can anyone find that actual part of the law that stipulates that I can quit anytime I want to? I tried searching, but couldn't find what i was looking for. I know they'll make an issue out of this, so I want to be prepared to show them that the law is on my side and hopefully that will deter them from making an issue out of this.
As mentioned, you can quit any time.
5. When I quit, should I write up a letter of resignation or just tell them verbally?
I recommend a short and brief resignation letter.
6. I know saving face is important here, so I'm considering just making up a story about why I have to leave (i.e. My parents want me to come back home, I'm having some personal issues that need sorting out, my health isn't so good and I need to take a break, I'm having some financial issues, etc...) Would this be a better idea than saying that I got a better job offer?
Probably.
The people I work with aren't bad people, but I have a really hard time reading them and gauging their personalities, so I'm quite nervous about going through with this. Not knowing how they're going to react and handle this situation is the worst part. Any help you guys can give me would be much appreciated. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 7:08 pm Post subject: Re: A follow up to my previous questions about quitting earl |
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| Fabulous wrote: |
So I posted about quitting my hagwon job for a better non-teaching job a little while ago. I still have a few more questions before I let them know that I am quitting.
1. I plan on giving them less than a weeks notice after getting paid (it just happened to work out that way.) I have no choice, I'll need to leave quickly. My contract says I must give 60 days notice, but I've read that 30 days is the maximum under the labor law. My question is, is there anything that they can do to stop me from getting a new visa if I leave under such short notice? I could care less about getting a LOR, because I have all of my documents to reapply for a new visa.
2. I was hired in Korea, so I don't have to pay back any airfare. However, I do need to pay for my apartment's utilities, and the bill won't arrive until a month after I quit. I also don't want to just give the money to my employer so she can pay it. Over time I've noticed that my boss is a bit of a loose cannon, so I don't really trust her, or anyone, to pay the bills for me (honestly I think she'll just pocket the money and say I didn't pay.) I have the feeling that they're going to be unreasonable about me quitting and I want to cover all of these potential problems, so they have nothing to use against me. How can I go about paying my utility bills that will produce receipts that I can keep and use as proof that I didn't leave them stuck with the bill? Is it as easy as calling the utility companies and asking to pay my bills early?
3. Is there ANY possible way that they can keep me from getting a new visa? My boss is quite strange and I can see her freaking out over this, so I want to make sure nothing keeps me from getting a new visa. What exactly can I expect if my hagwon wants to make an issue out of this? Does anyone here have experience quitting with short notice and successfully receiving a new visa without an LOR?
4. Labor laws. Can anyone find that actual part of the law that stipulates that I can quit anytime I want to? I tried searching, but couldn't find what i was looking for. I know they'll make an issue out of this, so I want to be prepared to show them that the law is on my side and hopefully that will deter them from making an issue out of this.
5. When I quit, should I write up a letter of resignation or just tell them verbally?
6. I know saving face is important here, so I'm considering just making up a story about why I have to leave (i.e. My parents want me to come back home, I'm having some personal issues that need sorting out, my health isn't so good and I need to take a break, I'm having some financial issues, etc...) Would this be a better idea than saying that I got a better job offer?
The people I work with aren't bad people, but I have a really hard time reading them and gauging their personalities, so I'm quite nervous about going through with this. Not knowing how they're going to react and handle this situation is the worst part. Any help you guys can give me would be much appreciated. |
1) Under labor law an employee is NOT required to give notice, is free to leave at any time without fear of repercussion and cannot legally be coerced into staying (threats of lawsuits, etc).
2) Just go to/call the utility company and pay by bank transfer. Paper trail in place.
3) That would depend on what visa you are on now.
IF you are on an E2 then they can prevent a transfer to a new employer or changing to a D10. They cannot prevent you from leaving Korea, handing in your ARC to cancel your status of sojourn and returning on a new visa. (note: new visa requires all new documents that would be required for that visa).
4) labor standards act, http://www.moel.go.kr/english/topic/laborlaw_view.jsp?idx=254&tab=Standards
Article 7 (Prohibition of Forced Labor)
No employer shall force a worker to work against his own
free will through the use of violence, intimidation, confinement
or any other means which unlawfully restrict mental or physical
freedom.
5) Sup to you. You are NOT required to give written notice. Just get paid and don't bother coming in to work if it suits you. Do be aware that if your employer is a "loose cannon" you probably won't get paid for any work done after payday.
6) No excuse is necessary. Just leave.
7) IF they are not bad people then do the right thing.
If they are less than that then do what works for you.
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valkerie
Joined: 02 Mar 2007
Location: Busan
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| Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 12:38 am Post subject: |
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| Every time I've left an apartment I've had the utilities meter (or meters) read a couple of days before I leave. They work out what you owe and it can be sorted straightaway. Last couple of days free! (Can do same with apartment maintenance fees too.) |
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