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For the long-termers: How has Korea changed since 2006?
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Son Deureo!



Joined: 30 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A lot has changed here in the past six years. A few of the bigger changes:

Higher prices. Inflation has hit here pretty hard here in the past few years. Basic subway fare is over W1000. A dinner out of grilled meat is usually at least W10k for only 150 grams of meat. The aforementioned kimbap price of W1500. It all adds up, while our salaries haven't gone up much.

Westerners seem to be much less of a novelty. The "hello chorus" I used to get every time I walked out my door just doesn't happen any more. Less staring and shock at the sight of my pasty whiteness. Less strangers trying to strike up a conversation out of the blue.

More imports! Cheese, wine, decent chocolate, etc. You can get almost anything you want somewhere in the Seoul metro area if you're willing to pay for it.

Korea is becoming more multicultural. The foreign population is up to something like 4% of the population. A lot of it is Chinese and Southeast Asians looking for work, plus international brides. Not all Koreans like it, but overall it seems to be a positive development. There are LOTS of Indian, Vietnamese, and Thai restaurants to be found. There are 5 Indian restaurants just in my neighborhood, and I don't live in Seoul.

There's a glut of foreign teachers in Korea now thanks to high unemployment in the US, and with funding being cut for foreign teachers in public schools, there's bit less demand for our services as well. People seem to have a harder time getting jobs here than a few years ago. This is leading to....

The Western expat community here is changing. With the glut of English teachers, hogwon owners are getting what they've always wanted. Younger, prettier, femaler, Americaner teachers. I'm meeting a lot less Aussies, Kiwis, Brits, and even Canadian teachers here than I would have even 5 years ago. Also, with stricter checks of degrees and criminal records checks there aren't quite as many of the shadier characters teaching English here.

There have also been some important changes to visas here:

E-2 visas now require apostilled criminal records checks and apostilled diplomas. This means it takes some time and money to get started. You can't just sign a contract and get on a plane to Korea in less than a week.

It's now possible to quit your job without a letter of release, and then get a new E-2. You can either cancel your visa and start over from scratch, or get a bridging D-10 "looking for work" visa if Immigration allows it.

There's a path to permanent residency for expats who aren't married to or genetically related to Koreans. It's called the F-2-7 visa. You have to speak Korean, be here for a few years, and in most cases take some government Korean language and civics classes, but it's doable for just about anyone here on an E-2 who's willing to do the work. There are some very informative threads on this board about the F-2-7 and the Korean Social Integration program if you're interested.
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Stan Rogers



Joined: 20 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Porn sites are now blocked in Korea.
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decibalsrising



Joined: 12 Sep 2012
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are 9994838493929292919292929292929 more coffee shops

Seems to be the new trend these days
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JustinC



Joined: 10 Mar 2012
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm here. 'Nuff said. Laughing
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nautilus



Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!

PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 11:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cdninkorea wrote:

- There is much less staring it seems.


It has decreased, definitely. Although it still ocurrs with enough frequency, usually by the older 40+ crowd.

...outside of Seoul its still on steroids of course.

sojusucks wrote:
Prices have increased. The biggest difference in the ESL industry has been the sheer number of applicants after the economic collapse of 2007-08.


Right. Wages have been frozen for the past 8 years and the prices of everything have gone up'n up.
The job market is swamped and the paperwork needed to get an E2 from scratch now is prohibitive.
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Otherside



Joined: 06 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 2:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Son Deureo! wrote:


The Western expat community here is changing. With the glut of English teachers, hogwon owners are getting what they've always wanted. Younger, prettier, femaler, Americaner teachers. I'm meeting a lot less Aussies, Kiwis, Brits, and even Canadian teachers here than I would have even 5 years ago.


Part of this has to with the wages staying the same. The economies of Aus and NZ aren't in the toilet, so there are going to be less people looking to work for 2.2m a month (6 years later!). The Aussie dollar is also very strong which doesn't help.

I've noticed FAR FAR FAR more South Africans in Korea than before. When I first came over (2007) on more than one occasion I was the 1st South African that people had met (ESL teachers), and would often be the only South African in an expat bar (or there would be 2 or 3 of us, out of 50+ people). Now over 30% of the people there are South Africans. In GEPIK now, South Africans are the 2nd biggest group of teachers (after the US).
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Kimchifart



Joined: 15 Sep 2010

PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 5:14 am    Post subject: Re: For the long-termers: How has Korea changed since 2006? Reply with quote

SwissJames wrote:
Hi,

I used to live in Korea back in 2003-2006, now on my way back for a week's visit so have checked into Dave's to see what's going on.

Seems like there are craft beers around now, and about 20 more subway lines than when I left. Other than that, anything much I should check out?


Cheese and muesli is cheaper. Everything is a bit more expensive. Bread is still awful. That's it.
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Smithington



Joined: 14 Dec 2011

PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's gotten even dirtier. Confused
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jvalmer



Joined: 06 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see more younger women smoking in public.
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jdog2050



Joined: 17 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 6:20 pm    Post subject: Re: For the long-termers: How has Korea changed since 2006? Reply with quote

SwissJames wrote:
Hi,

I used to live in Korea back in 2003-2006, now on my way back for a week's visit so have checked into Dave's to see what's going on.

Seems like there are craft beers around now, and about 20 more subway lines than when I left. Other than that, anything much I should check out?


It's kind of scary but I guess I'm a long-timer Shocked

Anyway, biggest changes so far:

--Coffe. My god. Coffee is everywhere. And good stuff too. Every neighborhood seems to have at least one place that hand-drips Ethiopian Yergachaffe. That said, it's gotten past the point of good economics. These days, opening a coffee shop seems to be much more of a way to sit on a piece of real estate until the price goes up, than a sensible long-term strategy.

--Foreigner Services. This could still use a lot of work (more in terms of standardizing things) but services for foreigners are pretty good now. Tourist info, clubs, language programs, internet info. I don't think living in Korea has ever been easier.

--Foreigners themselves. I've noticed that the foreigners who come here now seem more purposeful. They tend to hit the ground running with little personal projects and what not. I can't say why as every person is different, but I think the financial crisis kicked up a large cloud of people for whom Korea would not have been a thought. But, because of circumstances, they've tried to create their own little bubbles here. I think it's been really good. Stuff like Super Color Super, Mangwon Art Hole, Space Yoga Studio. There's a lot more funky underground stuff happening.

--Beer. Again, massive change. In just two years it's gone from the usual Cass and $11 Guiness, to Rogue, Lost Coast, and a ton of Belgians coming in. Also, Magpie, Craftworks, and 7Brau...3 microbrews in 2 years! Wow.

Biggest changes I predict:

--I think the beer market is going to keep changing, but slow down unless the laws completely and utterly change. Like, I think there'll be 5 or 7 breweries kicking around within the next few years, but it's still monetarily too difficult of an industry to break into.

--Old Apartments as businesses. I've already been hearing whispers of people using their apartments to start small, cozy little businesses. Unfortunately it's illegal but it's a great idea. Again, I hope the laws open up to create more hybrid real estate zones. Because of Korea's low birth-rate there's going to be a glut of housing very soon. On that note...

--Housing is going to crash hard...soon. I don't think Korea's real estate developers are realizing that people are starting families later and later. The era of charging $100,000 for key money will hopefully end as more developers will want to just get people into the friggin apartments.
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cdninkorea



Joined: 27 Jan 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 8:34 pm    Post subject: Re: For the long-termers: How has Korea changed since 2006? Reply with quote

jdog2050 wrote:
The era of charging $100,000 for key money will hopefully end as more developers will want to just get people into the friggin apartments.


You may be right (I hope you are), but so far it's still on the up. $100,000? I was looking at Jeonse prices with my wife, and the minimum in Seoul for a decent 2 bedroom seems to be more like 150 million won.
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jdog2050



Joined: 17 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 8:49 pm    Post subject: Re: For the long-termers: How has Korea changed since 2006? Reply with quote

cdninkorea wrote:
jdog2050 wrote:
The era of charging $100,000 for key money will hopefully end as more developers will want to just get people into the friggin apartments.


You may be right (I hope you are), but so far it's still on the up. $100,000? I was looking at Jeonse prices with my wife, and the minimum in Seoul for a decent 2 bedroom seems to be more like 150 million won.


Right, I just pulled that figure out for my area--HBC/Kyeongnidan in Seoul. Places around Seoul Station for example are definitely going for like 150 million Won.

It's insane, and right now I think it's definitely due to stagnant thinking. I can't fathom why developers are still building family condos when ALL DEMOGRAPHICS point to nice 1/2 bedroom apartments being a key market really, really soon.

Overall, something I hope for is the whole system of key money just being tossed. Maybe people who are already doing it are "grandfathered in", but I hope it gets banned really soon.
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SwissJames



Joined: 21 Dec 2011

PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 2:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting stuff- cheers folks. Right- off to the airport!
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schwa



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Yap

PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 2:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SwissJames wrote:
Interesting stuff- cheers folks. Right- off to the airport!

Keep us updated. Those of us on the ground get lulled by change & the sheer pace of change, this being Korea. I'm curious what might jump out at a 6-year absentee.
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Adventurer



Joined: 28 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 2:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How has Korea changed since 2006?

1)1330

2)More of a selection of beer, but Molson is long gone.

3)Much more foreign goods. It's easier to find cheese, good cereal.

4)KEB came on the scene and more banks became Western friendly.

5)The younger girls wear a lot more revealing clothing, and though it's not still not so common for some to show their shoulders it's happening.

6)Koreans embrace and show affection more in public.

7)There are fewer Coffee Beans and more of the other coffee chains like Tom and Toms.

CoolA joint called Lemon Table has spread in many places. Taco Bell, Cold Stone are in many places in Korea.

9)I think the students tend to speak English a bit better than before, but it's still hard to find Koreans are excellent at English. More are moderately good.



10)Koreans seem friendlier to foreigners and don't tend to stare so much when compared to the past.


11)The subway in the Seoul area is so much better.

12)Korea actually has done some good things to promote tourism. We used to mock Korea's slogans all the time, but Korea has spent money on projects to make Seoul and other places look better. I'll give them that.

13)There are glass barriers at all the subway stations.

14)We don't rely on people to charge our subway cards anymore. There are machines everywhere.

15)More of the PC Bangs are smoke free.

16)Itaewon became somewhat gentrified in some areas....
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