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timhorton



Joined: 07 Dec 2005

PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 11:37 pm    Post subject: Just Do It! Reply with quote

Just Do It! - only three words but can make your life easier in Korea (i.e. public schools, hokwons, etc). I am referring to the petty things not the totally unreasonable things. In my experience, it's better to do some things (even when you don't want to) because it may benefit you later via getting to go home early, less desk warming, extra vacation, etc.

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CentralCali



Joined: 17 May 2007

PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 2:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Really, now? So, according to you then, at the last school where I worked in Korea, I should've told myself "Just do it" for the following:

  • No lunch break
  • Teaching extra hours in the morning for free
  • Teaching extra hours in the afternoon for free
  • Teaching on both Saturdays and Sundays for free
  • Teaching straight through the Summer and Winter breaks without extra compensation and without being paid in lieu for the missed vacation days


Note: These all would've been beyond the contractually-required teaching hours.

I don't think that's intelligent advice.
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Skippy



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Daejeon

PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 5:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CentralCali wrote:
Really, now? So, according to you then, at the last school where I worked in Korea, I should've told myself "Just do it" for the following:

  • No lunch break
  • Teaching extra hours in the morning for free
  • Teaching extra hours in the afternoon for free
  • Teaching on both Saturdays and Sundays for free
  • Teaching straight through the Summer and Winter breaks without extra compensation and without being paid in lieu for the missed vacation days


Note: These all would've been beyond the contractually-required teaching hours.

I don't think that's intelligent advice.


I think the OP is talking about things like

1) Coming in on a Saturday for a class field trip. It is only one Saturday and not every Saturday.

2) It is going to the lets get stinking drunk and ignore the waygook teacher by talking in Korean staff dinner.

3) Like a recent thread, the compulsory city wide hagwon teacher training class/meeting. Maybe one morning once a year.

4) Boss/Manager has thrown a last minute class together, which you are not really prepared for. This is a temp situation or short time situation.

5) Covering a few classes that where missed due to weather, test, emergency at another time. Yea, it sucks, these things happen.

I would add to the OPs advice of Just Do It, with the adage of pick your battles. Complaining and nitpicking about every slight or change, will backfire. People do not like complainers. Learn to accept some sucky situations. After a while you build up enough goodwill with school and coworkers. This goodwill can be used to do things that normally would not be able to do.

Of course that does not mean their are not some situations where you should raise your voice. If the said thing needed to be done seriously conflicts with your life, then fight and speak up. Invited to last minute staff dinner which is is in 5 minutes, but you are going on a trip to Kyungju early tomorrow. Yea I would complain and well not do it! Yet if your are just doing another usual weekend event like hit the usual bar with friends. Then suck it up and and do as the OP recommends, Just Do It!

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newb



Joined: 27 Aug 2012
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 6:14 am    Post subject: Re: Just Do It! Reply with quote

timhorton wrote:
Just Do It! - only three words but can make your life easier in Korea (i.e. public schools, hokwons, etc). I am referring to the petty things not the totally unreasonable things. In my experience, it's better to do some things (even when you don't want to) because it may benefit you later via getting to go home early, less desk warming, extra vacation, etc.


LOL. Korean have tendency to take a mile when you give an inch. Don't be a limber back. Use your common sense and good judgement to let them know that stupidity is not acceptable.
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PatrickGHBusan



Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 7:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cali, I do not think the OP had what you said in mind when he said to do a few things that could pay off down the line....
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Skippy



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Daejeon

PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 7:28 am    Post subject: Re: Just Do It! Reply with quote

newb wrote:
timhorton wrote:
Just Do It! - only three words but can make your life easier in Korea (i.e. public schools, hokwons, etc). I am referring to the petty things not the totally unreasonable things. In my experience, it's better to do some things (even when you don't want to) because it may benefit you later via getting to go home early, less desk warming, extra vacation, etc.


LOL. Korean have tendency to take a mile when you give an inch. Don't be a limber back. Use your common sense and good judgement to let them know that stupidity is not acceptable.


True! Goodwill works in Korea, the problem is the depreciation is a buyatch!.
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ontheway



Joined: 24 Aug 2005
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Little things you should just do:

* Going out for after work for dinner and drinks, or getting togther for lunch with your boss, principal, co-workers etc instead of some other thing you'd rather do, once in a while.

* Coming in early or staying late an extra hour for a meeting with your boss or coworker occasionally.

* That once per year special event they really want you to attend.


Big things you should not "just do" but should bargain over or refuse:

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No lunch break

Teaching extra hours in the morning for free

Teaching extra hours in the afternoon for free

Teaching on both Saturdays and Sundays for free

Teaching straight through the Summer and Winter breaks without extra compensation and without being paid in lieu for the missed vacation days



Common sense. Don't leave home without it. These same types of things will all come up in professional jobs in your home country as well.
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CentralCali



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PatrickGHBusan wrote:
Cali, I do not think the OP had what you said in mind when he said to do a few things that could pay off down the line....


When I quit on the bastards, guess which adjective they used to describe their demands I listed above. I'll give you a hint: it wasn't unreasonable.
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CentralCali



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ontheway wrote:
Little things you should just do:

* Going out for after work for dinner and drinks, or getting togther for lunch with your boss, principal, co-workers etc instead of some other thing you'd rather do, once in a while.


I don't drink and I can't stand tobacco smoke nor do I like being around drunk people, especially drunk people insisting drunkenly that I drink anyway, so I don't go to bars in Korea. And I'm vegetarian for a personal health reason. "Going out for dinner" in Korea always ended up with me watching other people eat so I don't end up in a hospital because they don't freaking understand that it's actually true that some people can't have their famous whatever it is today that makes one full of stamina. Screw that.

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* Coming in early or staying late an extra hour for a meeting with your boss or coworker occasionally.


Ever hear this one? "Do it once and it's a favor, do it twice and it's your job." Why is it that there was no asking, no negotiation, simply being informed, "You will be doing XYZ"?

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* That once per year special event they really want you to attend.


That once per year event should be on the school calendar then. The foreigner wrangler needs to step up to the plate and inform the GET (remember, that we're no longer native English teachers, we're just guests, like none of us has any actual connections to the land or people) of this in advance. After all, the school calendar is published well in advance.

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Big things you should not "just do" but should bargain over or refuse:

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No lunch break

Teaching extra hours in the morning for free

Teaching extra hours in the afternoon for free

Teaching on both Saturdays and Sundays for free

Teaching straight through the Summer and Winter breaks without extra compensation and without being paid in lieu for the missed vacation days


Each and every one I refused outright because each and every one was presented as lasting through the entire year. Heck, each one was presented to me without any discussion beforehand; just "You will be doing this." When I refused, that resulted in their whining, gnashing of teeth, the infamous sucking of teeth, cajoling, outright disregarding instructions from the Office of Education, and the comment I will never forget for the rest of my life even if I live to be a thousand:

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Do you EVEN THINK of your job?


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Common sense. Don't leave home without it. These same types of things will all come up in professional jobs in your home country as well.


If and when things like the ones I mention come up in jobs in my home country, they'll be occasional things and discussion, actual human to human as human discussion, beforehand. Perhaps you've noticed a few companies have tried pulling the same "work for free" bollox but have lost in court. That's what Korea needs: ballsy courts.
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PatrickGHBusan



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 5:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CentralCali wrote:
PatrickGHBusan wrote:
Cali, I do not think the OP had what you said in mind when he said to do a few things that could pay off down the line....


When I quit on the bastards, guess which adjective they used to describe their demands I listed above. I'll give you a hint: it wasn't unreasonable.


Your list and what the OP was talking about seem to me to be very different things!

I am in agreement with you on the things you listed, no one should do them for free.

However being accomodating in the workplace CAN play off for a Teacher. Just a matter of sticking to your guns when it is actually important.

There is also the issue of how a person views their job and that will really impact what they are willing to do.
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JustinC



Joined: 10 Mar 2012
Location: We Are The World!

PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 5:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Open Class - just do it! What ever mess up you make there is reflected in your co-teacher's review. They're under enormous pressure to perform in Open Classes so just go for it and ignore the falsity because it's not a regular class and isn't expected to be.
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CentralCali



Joined: 17 May 2007

PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 5:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is so hard to understand about this? The school owners/principals do not believe their asinine requests are unreasonable. Of course they have what, in their minds, are perfectly legitimate reasons to demand those things. That's where some of the problems arise.

Oh, and what about the wonderully intelligent stunt of welcoming the new teacher, whom they knew to be vegetarian and non-drinker, by having a big ol' dinner/boozefest at a seafood restaurant? Yeah, right. "Just do it" and end up in a hospital on the first day there? Again, screw that.

"Just do it" is a recipe for disaster.

Here's what the most upsetting about it: It didn't use to be this way in Korea. In the 1970s, Korea did not seem to have that much trouble interacting with foreigners who were in Korea to help or to work. There were the occasional instances, but nothing like what happens now. Maybe it took Park's dictatorship to slap sense into people.
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John Stamos jr.



Joined: 07 Oct 2012
Location: Namsan

PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 6:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JustinC wrote:
Open Class - just do it! What ever mess up you make there is tossed in your co-teacher's garbage can.


Edited to reflect my experience earlier today. It was only one bad class to be honest, and the one I thought would go the best; but to think I was clowning on her for not being able to speak English a few weeks ago. She'll probably be expecting me to buy her a handbag next week because of that, though. Evil or Very Mad
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CentralCali



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 7:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For the public schools, the open class is part of the re-hiring procedure. The GET's score from the observers and from the student evaluations are listed on the re-hiring application. Of course, nobody ever shows the GET what they're going to be evaluation on. I think I may have posted last year's evaluation template on this site. I'll see if I can dig it up.
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newb



Joined: 27 Aug 2012
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 7:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm in complete agreement with centralcali. I believe what most Korean teachers are lacking these days is manners dealing with foreigner in general. I've rejected numerous stupidity that they tried to force upon me like centralcali by laughing on their face and asking them to explain why I should. They can't really explain well, but usually end up saying something like "it's the Korean way." I then tell them to explain it a few more times before rejecting their stupidity. Once you have a few more cycles of these rejections, they'll think twice before telling me to accept another stupidity. I only do this to those that are arrogant and have no manners.
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