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itiswhatitis



Joined: 08 Aug 2011

PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 8:46 pm    Post subject: Key money deposit, should I worry? Reply with quote

I went to a local leasing office with a Korean friend and I made a 5 million won deposit for a new place. I recently moved in and all is well.

I had 2 of my Korean friends (who both rent their own places) look at the contract and they both say that it look legit.

This is probably a silly question but sometimes it's better to be safe than sorry.

Is there anything else that I should do to protect myself in order to make sure that I get my key money back? I signed a 6 month lease but I will probably stay longer.

As an aside there was an insurance document (seperate from the lease) which the rental office gave me. My Korean friend told me that it is insurance to make sure that I get my key money back.

5 million won is a lot of money and any insight/advice is most appreciated.

I can only hope that my landlord ain't as sleazy as some of the hagwon owners that I've worked for here!!!

Thanks!!!
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highstreet



Joined: 13 Nov 2010

PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You should register your deposit at your local -gu office. Not sure if this has to be done beforehand, but I did mine before I signed a lease with the help of a Korean friend.
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nautilus



Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!

PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 2:52 am    Post subject: Re: Key money deposit, should I worry? Reply with quote

itiswhatitis wrote:

I can only hope that my landlord ain't as sleazy as some of the hagwon owners that I've worked for here!!!


Any system by which you hand over vast sums to an ajosshi of the park chung hee generation, who likely resents the fact you are in his country, without any enforcible legal safeguard, in a country where defrauding others is basically a national pastime, in a legal situation slanted against outsiders...

.....is lunacy.
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Stan Rogers



Joined: 20 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 3:07 am    Post subject: Re: Key money deposit, should I worry? Reply with quote

nautilus wrote:
itiswhatitis wrote:

I can only hope that my landlord ain't as sleazy as some of the hagwon owners that I've worked for here!!!


Any system by which you hand over vast sums to an ajosshi of the park chung hee generation, who likely resents the fact you are in his country, without any enforcible legal safeguard, in a country where defrauding others is basically a national pastime, in a legal situation slanted against outsiders...

.....is lunacy.


That is a really mean thing to say about a whole generation of people. If the system is really as corrupt as you say it is, it wouldn't exist. Fraud can happen in any monetary transaction, but your statement is a blatent low blow.
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fustiancorduroy



Joined: 12 Jan 2007

PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 3:18 am    Post subject: Re: Key money deposit, should I worry? Reply with quote

nautilus wrote:
itiswhatitis wrote:

I can only hope that my landlord ain't as sleazy as some of the hagwon owners that I've worked for here!!!


Any system by which you hand over vast sums to an ajosshi of the park chung hee generation, who likely resents the fact you are in his country, without any enforcible legal safeguard, in a country where defrauding others is basically a national pastime, in a legal situation slanted against outsiders...

.....is lunacy.


I get your point. There are some sleazy landlords here, especially for the cheaper places that most ESL teachers live in. But Park Chung-hee was born in 1917. If here were still alive, he'd be 95 years old. There aren't too many 95 year old landlords. Most of them would probably be from the next generation, the ones born during World War II and the Korean War. But, yeah, a lot of those folks don't take too kindly to Westerners.

OP: Register your deposit with the 구청 as soon as possible. I forget the exact name of the documents, but I'm sure you can ask a Korean friend or coworker to help you and, if necessary, come with you to help 도장 them. But I wouldn't worry too much. It's not like you have a huge 20 or 50 million won deposit on your place, right?
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snowfoxx



Joined: 11 Dec 2012

PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

trying to not take over this thread but i do have a few questions i hope someone can help me out.

I'm kinda in a sticky situation now. I moved out of my house on the 15th and until now my landlord hasnt given me an exact date when she will give me back my deposit 10,000USD. I gave her 1 week notice that i was moving out and she said she didnt have the money so now she is looking for new tenants.

But the problem is, im leaving korea in 2 weeks time and she knows.
I don't know what to do. My friends suggest i go to the local police.
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Captain Corea



Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 5:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Key money deposit, should I worry? Reply with quote

nautilus wrote:
itiswhatitis wrote:

I can only hope that my landlord ain't as sleazy as some of the hagwon owners that I've worked for here!!!


Any system by which you hand over vast sums to an ajosshi of the park chung hee generation, who likely resents the fact you are in his country, without any enforcible legal safeguard, in a country where defrauding others is basically a national pastime, in a legal situation slanted against outsiders...

.....is lunacy.


Your posts are getting more and more extreme.
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b-class rambler



Joined: 25 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

snowfoxx wrote:
trying to not take over this thread but i do have a few questions i hope someone can help me out.

I'm kinda in a sticky situation now. I moved out of my house on the 15th and until now my landlord hasnt given me an exact date when she will give me back my deposit 10,000USD. I gave her 1 week notice that i was moving out and she said she didnt have the money so now she is looking for new tenants.

But the problem is, im leaving korea in 2 weeks time and she knows.
I don't know what to do. My friends suggest i go to the local police.


It's quite possible that your landlord has done absolutely nothing wrong at all and wouldn't have done anything wrong if she hadn't returned your deposit by the time you left.

What was the duration of the contract you initially agreed with the landlord? In many of the countries we come from, you give the landlord a month/couple of weeks/whatever notice, move out and get your deposit back.

But the system is different here. Unless you're on a special short term/short notice deal, then basically signing the contract here means you agree to keep paying the rent for the entire period and are only due to get your deposit back at the end of the contract.

The way people get out of that is by finding a replacement tenant to move in, pay their deposit for the apartment as they move in and their money is effectively the money used to refund the tenant moving out.

But the landlord is only breaking the law if she keeps your deposit beyond the final date of your rental contract. And if you haven't paid rent for the entire duration of the agreement, the landlord is quite entitled to deduct the unpaid rent from the amount they give back.

If you've decided to move out mid-contract and your landlord is saying, 'ok, I'll give you your deposit back as soon as I get another tenant' then that's actually a little more generous than she legally could act in that situation.
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big_fella1



Joined: 08 Dec 2005

PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

snowfoxx wrote:
trying to not take over this thread but i do have a few questions i hope someone can help me out.

I'm kinda in a sticky situation now. I moved out of my house on the 15th and until now my landlord hasnt given me an exact date when she will give me back my deposit 10,000USD. I gave her 1 week notice that i was moving out and she said she didnt have the money so now she is looking for new tenants.

But the problem is, im leaving korea in 2 weeks time and she knows.
I don't know what to do. My friends suggest i go to the local police.


My understanding is you are required to give 2 months notice, even if you are on a "month to month" basis.

She will be in no hurry to find new tenants as she can legally charge you rent for 2 months before she has to return your money.

I know because I was in your position. Luckily my landlord was involved in a tax scam, so we were able to negotiate that I got all my money back, but it took 2 months.

You may need to take action to advertise the place yourself on English websites and go to real estate offices to list the place yourself.

To get a tenant you may need to agree to pay the whole contract fee.

Sincerely I wish you good luck.
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newb



Joined: 27 Aug 2012
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

snowfoxx wrote:
trying to not take over this thread but i do have a few questions i hope someone can help me out.

I'm kinda in a sticky situation now. I moved out of my house on the 15th and until now my landlord hasnt given me an exact date when she will give me back my deposit 10,000USD. I gave her 1 week notice that i was moving out and she said she didnt have the money so now she is looking for new tenants.

But the problem is, im leaving korea in 2 weeks time and she knows.
I don't know what to do. My friends suggest i go to the local police.


A friend of mine was in a same situation about 6 months ago. He ended up leaving Korea without 10,000,000 won deposit money while appointing one of his Korean co-teacher to retrieve the money.

While he was here, his landlord didn't even bother answering his phone calls. A week before his departure, the landlord's phone was disconnected.

He's still trying to get his deposit back.

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Any system by which you hand over vast sums to an ajosshi ....... in a legal situation slanted against outsiders...

.....is lunacy.


+1000
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snowfoxx



Joined: 11 Dec 2012

PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 7:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My contract actually ended on the 15th and my landlord says its ok for me to move out. But she just doesnt have the money at all.
So now i actually brought in my budongsan and frens to help me and the landlord says she will def pay me back when she gets a new tenant.

My budongsan advised me to write up a contract and ask me to ask my landlord to sign it before the budongsan as a guarantor.I also asked my frens and they said that the landlord is able to take at most 3 months to return my deposit.

So i guess I can only wait and trust that my landlord doesnt just poof into mid air.
I certainly dont hope to end up like newb's fren
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highstreet



Joined: 13 Nov 2010

PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 8:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The whole real estate procedure in Korea is a bit confusing. I haven't been able to find anyone that can tell me whether or not the landlord is legally allowed to keep your deposit until a new tenant moves in.

Luckily I got my deposit back but not until a new tenant moved in. It would seem illegal to keep your deposit after the contract date, but no one seems to know.

For example, if a person moved in and agreed to pay X amount, then say real estate prices dropped for that area, couldn't the landlord just refuse new potential tenants or keep the rent high enough to reject new tenants and keep charging the current tenant X amount.

It was a pain for me to get my deposit back, took over 6 months. I was in no hurry to leave, so I had no problem waiting for a new tenant to move in. But still, it gets annoying knowing that any second you might have to move within a week or two.
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b-class rambler



Joined: 25 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

highstreet wrote:
It would seem illegal to keep your deposit after the contract date, but no one seems to know.


I'm pretty sure that it is. But the onus is on you to start proceedings against the landlord and the same give 'n' take/push a little until the party yields a little attitude applies as it does with many rules/regulations in Korea. So effectively, many landlords get away with giving the money back later than they should.

However, I was told by a budongsan lady that we dealt with once, that previous legal action taken against a landlord could be visible to any future tenants doing their financial checking up on that landlord. She advised that if you were intending to move out at the end of the contract, you ought to let the landlord know at least 2-3 months beforehand and make it clear that you were expecting your full deposit back on the final day of the contract. She said that was partly a courtesy and partly just a sensible practical step to put pressure on the landlord to get their finger out and get the money ready - i.e. if a new tenant was needed to provide the money to be returned, then they needed to get the place advertised and have people viewing it.

She also made the point that if neither party says anything at the end of the contract, then it's deemed to have been renewed (possibly on a 3 month by 3 month basis but I don't remember exactly). So if you've told the landlord in advance that you intend to move out, he can't then claim that the contract renewed automatically.
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KimchiNinja



Joined: 01 May 2012
Location: Gangnam

PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like the Korean system, from the finance perspective it is odd at first, but makes sense.

When investment returns are good they can ask for large deposits and low monthly, the opposite in bad times. The deposit generates returns and makes up for low/no rent. Locking yourself into a contract protects you from market changes, unless it moves against you and you're stuck with a crappy deal. I'm still a bit foggy on the whole thing, but it looks like a different way of doing the same thing.

And you can get insurance on your deposit I believe.
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big_fella1



Joined: 08 Dec 2005

PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

KimchiNinja wrote:
And you can get insurance on your deposit I believe.

Actually you cannot get insurance, you can register yourself as a priority creditor behind the government and the mortgagee(s), that's it.

You are responsible for protecting your money, through credit checks and the like. Could anyone who says that the government guarantees deposits refer to a website in English or Korean to back this up?

The Korean system makes sense if house prices continually rise, in the same way that Ponzi schemes work if you can find more people to sell to.

This system is largely responsible for the wealth gap in this country, but when it collapses everyone will suffer except for those who own their house with no debt, and those in company provided housing.
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