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crescent
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| The worst part about this situation in Korea is how you can't really legally defend yourself if a criminal is in your apartment. If you stab a home invader in defense, you may want to seriously consider going to the airport straightaway and taking the first flight out of Korea. |
I doubt that you would be on the wrong side of things in such a blatant case.....you would have been in your home, he would clearly be the intruder.
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Sounds logical and of course you have to defend yourself, but a Korean friend of mine said he once beat up some intruders and he had to do jail time. Don't know all the details, but apparently they tried to enter the place the night before, and when they came back he was ready for them. He protected himself, and did "too much damage" to them, with a chair and his fists. So, you never know with the laws here. |
Yes. Korea has VERY strict Reasonable Force laws. If you apply more than the reasonable force needed to detain an intruder until police arrive, then you can be prosecuted for assault. This mirrors the fact that, in a fight, the one with the most injuries can press for blood money.
Odd that someone who has lived here for over a decade would not know that. |
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NYC_Gal 2.0
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| This sounds paranoid, but maybe check for hidden cameras. One of my friends was moving into an apartment, and his coteacher was helping him out and they found a few. Creepy stuff. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 5:26 am Post subject: |
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OP,
You could ask he cops about the particular of your case (if you have not done so already). They might have more information (this has been happening in the area for example). |
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EZE
Joined: 05 May 2012
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| Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 5:41 am Post subject: |
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| (by the way stabbing a thief is pretty excessive) |
But how does one know a home invader is just a thief? Stealing could be the tip of the iceberg.
This article is about a Canadian who was murdered during a robbery at her apartment in China: http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/life/people/2008-07-11-obrienmurder_N.htm
This article is about a home invasion where the two home invaders not only stole from the five victims, but perpetrated other, more heinous crimes as well. There were three male victims and two female victims. The two female victims were forced to have sex with the three male victims, they were raped by the two perpetrators, and were also forced to have sex with each other. Four of the five victims were murdered with the one survivor just barely surviving. Her dog was even killed. http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/classics/carr_brothers/index.html
Actress Fran Drescher of "The Nanny" was the victim of a home invasion robbery. She and her friend were raped while Drescher's husband was tied up in a chair and watched her get raped while the other criminal ransacked the house.
Things go badly during home invasions all the time. Often, things go very badly for the resident. Sometimes, things go very badly for the criminal. If a home invader makes the decision to advance instead of retreat, there is nothing wrong with the resident taking swings with a meat cleaver. |
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PatrickGHBusan
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| Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 6:11 am Post subject: |
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I see your point EZE but grabbing a knife and stabbing an intruder can be a dodgy choice.
I completely agree a person should defend themselves but if that person does not know how to use a knife it may turn out worst for them.
"Swinging with the mear cleaver" if you have no idea how to fight with a weapon can be a horrible idea. If you worry about home invasion, some sort of safe room that can be locked from the inside is a better plan, as is an alarm system wired to the police or heck, even pepper spray.
My mother lives in a condo building here in Canada and their underground garage had been the target of thieves and vandals. One of the condo owners was in the garage the second time it happened, he went to his condo, got the biggest kitchen knife he had and decided to face the intruders. Well, he ended up in the hospital with mutliple stab wounds. He was a 40 something man in good shape but had no training with weapons or fighting.
If you have no such training, taking a knife to that intruder is a recipe for disaster. |
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fermentation
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 1:04 am Post subject: |
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Kitchen knives are shitty weapons in general. Get a blunt weapon. Or an axe.
Sounds logical and of course you have to defend yourself, but a Korean friend of mine said he once beat up some intruders and he had to do jail time. Don't know all the details, but apparently they tried to enter the place the night before, and when they came back he was ready for them. He protected himself, and did "too much damage" to them, with a chair and his fists. So, you never know with the laws here.[/quote]
Yes. Korea has VERY strict Reasonable Force laws. If you apply more than the reasonable force needed to detain an intruder until police arrive, then you can be prosecuted for assault. This mirrors the fact that, in a fight, the one with the most injuries can press for blood money.
Odd that someone who has lived here for over a decade would not know that.[/quote]
It's quite sickening. It's a society that coddles criminals. You don't know if those thieves are going to turn to rape or murder if they find someone in the house. "Reasonable" my ass. Tell that to the guy breaking into someone's home in the first place. If someone breaks into my home, he's going to find himself on the receiving end of a ball peen hammer. |
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some waygug-in
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| Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 10:34 am Post subject: |
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| Pepper spray. I don't know if you can get it in Korea though. |
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Swampfox10mm
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HBC and Itaewon 2-dong are not entirely safe areas. There have been problems around there for YEARS. I used to live there about 8 years ago, and it was going on then, too. Peeping-toms are an issue, as well.
Off-topic sort-of, but I remember seeing a story about a robber in another neighborhood who accidentally fell 4 stories and died after the Korean homeowner "scared him" as he was entering a window. The guy had used ropes to dangle from the roof.
I always wondered if he threw the a-hole out!  |
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Mix1
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| Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 4:29 am Post subject: |
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| fermentation wrote: |
It's quite sickening. It's a society that coddles criminals. You don't know if those thieves are going to turn to rape or murder if they find someone in the house. "Reasonable" my ass. Tell that to the guy breaking into someone's home in the first place. If someone breaks into my home, he's going to find himself on the receiving end of a ball peen hammer. |
Oh I agree; it's totally sickening. And another detail that might interest you is that the break-in victim was a boxer, who had done some amateur competitions, and apparently this was factored into his sentencing.
I really don't understand this whole, "don't do too much damage" ideal. Yeah right. People enter your home and you have to view an attack in that context as defending your life and those of your loved ones as well, which means doing whatever it takes to take the person out, especially as they almost certainly would have a weapon on them. You're lucky to escape with your life in that situation, and then the court puts you in jail for successfully defending yourself. |
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radcon
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| Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 4:47 am Post subject: |
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| You enter someone's home with ill intent and you deserve nothing less than a shotgun blast. |
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fermentation
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 5:40 am Post subject: |
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I wonder what those legislators and judges would think if they find themselves the victim of a home invasion. Do they really think they'll just go, "Please leave us alone" and the perps will leave? What will they do when their children are threatened? What do they expect us to do? Just take being robbed and potentially raped and murdered?
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| oh I agree; it's totally sickening. And another detail that might interest you is that the break-in victim was a boxer, who had done some amateur competitions, and apparently this was factored into his sentencing. |
Not surprising. Since I'm a licensed pro, I would get a shafted in a self-defense situation too. I would have to make sure witnesses aren't around and beat the guy senseless so he won't recognize me before running as far as I can. In a break-in, the perp probably isn't leaving alive. |
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motiontodismiss
Joined: 18 Dec 2011
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| Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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It's quite sickening. It's a society that coddles criminals. You don't know if those thieves are going to turn to rape or murder if they find someone in the house. "Reasonable" my ass. Tell that to the guy breaking into someone's home in the first place. If someone breaks into my home, he's going to find himself on the receiving end of a ball peen hammer. |
Oh I agree; it's totally sickening. And another detail that might interest you is that the break-in victim was a boxer, who had done some amateur competitions, and apparently this was factored into his sentencing.
I really don't understand this whole, "don't do too much damage" ideal. Yeah right. People enter your home and you have to view an attack in that context as defending your life and those of your loved ones as well, which means doing whatever it takes to take the person out, especially as they almost certainly would have a weapon on them. You're lucky to escape with your life in that situation, and then the court puts you in jail for successfully defending yourself. |
What do you expect from a bunch of lawyers and judges who spent 5 years at a goshiwon studying for a multiple choice exam to get their license?
As far as I'm concerned, I think one should have the absolute right of self defense if there is clear and convincing evidence of a trespass. Castle Law FTW. |
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fosterman
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| Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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theft is one of the major crimes in Korea. many foreigners I know have been robbed in Yongsan, A thief tried to break into our house one night when we lived there 10 years ago. it's a crappy area and a lot of thieves around.
well a lot of thieves in Korea in general. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 4:16 am Post subject: |
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| Too bad you couldn't have a permit to carry. Give the home invader some lead to go with his stupidity. |
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toby99
Joined: 28 Aug 2009
Location: Dong-Incheon-by-the-sea, South Korea
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| Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Are these robbers typically expats or Koreans (or a mix of both)? |
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