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fosterman
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| there will be new old people to do it hahhhaa |
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Ethan Allen Hawley
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| Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 7:52 am Post subject: |
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| The OP poses a very good question, particularly with regard to farming. |
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nautilus
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Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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| Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 8:23 am Post subject: |
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| fosterman wrote: |
| there will be new old people to do it hahhhaa |
there's so many of them I can't even get a seat on the subway any more.
How long til Korea is forced to allow mass immigration to provide the new workforce of this country? |
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PatrickGHBusan
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Mass immigration of foreign workers?
Unless things change, that will become more necessary withing a short 20-25 years.
However, initially this is likely to be in the form of foreign workers, not necessarily full blown immigration of people who then become perm residents of Korea. As long as those workers find jobs that pay more than whatever they could find in their home countries, Korea will have a supply of willing workers. |
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rainman3277
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| Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 4:24 pm Post subject: Re: What will happen when the old people who do so much pass |
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One thing you'll notice after living here for a while... the old people do A LOT of work that I just don't see younger generations having an interest in. From cleaning for the gov't, to picking-up the recycled cardboard, to fixing general stuff not many in younger generations seem to be learning (trades)... I could go on and on.
I just wonder... |
There will always be poor who do what they can to earn a buck |
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jvalmer
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| Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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| but koreans need to pay more tax. actually, they should've been paying more taxes about 50 |
50 years ago was 1962. The average Korean was probably making under 50 cents a day and Korea had half the population. You really can't tax that much out of a poor population. |
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fosterman
Joined: 16 Nov 2011
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| Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Ethan Allen Hawley wrote: |
| The OP poses a very good question, particularly with regard to farming. |
already we are seeing a Korean farmers marrying SOuth East Asian women and having mixed race children, also farmers hire alot of chinese , and south east asians to work the farms now.
I think we will see a lot of educated people doing work which is beneath them due to unemployment.
just like in the West, we have taxi drivers who are doctors or engineers
in the future in Korea the guards will be people who hold masters degrees.
I know some of them now who are doctors!
my local chicken shop owner was a doctor!
education really doesn't mean that much anymore, A BA is basic, A masters is common. the hard part is finding a job! |
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Privateer
Joined: 31 Aug 2005
Location: Easy Street.
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| Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Chaos! Anarchy! Social collapse! |
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motiontodismiss
Joined: 18 Dec 2011
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| Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 8:41 am Post subject: |
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| jvalmer wrote: |
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| but koreans need to pay more tax. actually, they should've been paying more taxes about 50 |
50 years ago was 1962. The average Korean was probably making under 50 cents a day and Korea had half the population. You really can't tax that much out of a poor population. |
Korea probably would have been better off had its population not doubled. Seoul would be so much nicer a place to live in if it weren't so overpopulated. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 9:11 am Post subject: |
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| motiontodismiss wrote: |
| jvalmer wrote: |
| denverdeath wrote: |
| but koreans need to pay more tax. actually, they should've been paying more taxes about 50 |
50 years ago was 1962. The average Korean was probably making under 50 cents a day and Korea had half the population. You really can't tax that much out of a poor population. |
Korea probably would have been better off had its population not doubled. Seoul would be so much nicer a place to live in if it weren't so overpopulated. |
No, that population boom was a big contributing factor to its economic sucecss. Without it, Korea would have had more difficulty in becoming a manufacturing hub. Its labor workforce paved the way to where it is today.
Seoul's high population is also more due to the fact that it is both the economic and political capital of the country and less due to the population boom. And overpopulated? That's your opinion. Unless there is some water, food, or housing shortage, I'd say it would be hard to argue that a place was overpopulated. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 10:25 am Post subject: |
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| motiontodismiss wrote: |
| jvalmer wrote: |
| denverdeath wrote: |
| but koreans need to pay more tax. actually, they should've been paying more taxes about 50 |
50 years ago was 1962. The average Korean was probably making under 50 cents a day and Korea had half the population. You really can't tax that much out of a poor population. |
Korea probably would have been better off had its population not doubled. Seoul would be so much nicer a place to live in if it weren't so overpopulated. |
The word you were looking for was crowded. |
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yodanole
Joined: 02 Mar 2003
Location: La Florida
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I'm able to overcome the lack of a food service worker when I'm hungry much more easily than I'm able to overcome the lack of a doctor when I am sick.
And I echo Fermentation's hopes for better Mexican food.
Some of the skills that older Americans had have simply become rarer to the point of anyone who does it, does it as a hobby.
Making soap, boiling cane syrup, properly preparing specialty animal dishes, such as 'possum and sweet 'taters or Christmas Raccoon are skills not easily found in these days.
But Americans live in a society in which the $5 cup of coffee is not considered a luxury. Ultimately, necessity will promote some people to become more creative, as has happened in the past. |
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motiontodismiss
Joined: 18 Dec 2011
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| Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
Seoul's high population is also more due to the fact that it is both the economic and political capital of the country and less due to the population boom. And overpopulated? That's your opinion. Unless there is some water, food, or housing shortage, I'd say it would be hard to argue that a place was overpopulated. |
Seoul's price to income ratio for housing is higher than that of New York. And New York>>>>>>>>>>>Seoul. Overpopulated is a fact, not an opinion. the PIR, lowest birth rate in the OECD, the declining population of Seoul proper, all are proof of that fact.
Honestly speaking, 50 million people shouldn't be living in a country this big. The whole country's overpopulated. Korea's only able to produce something like 25% of its food supply. |
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crescent
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Outsource it to cheap, imported brownskins. |
This. Korea is already seeing the early stages of it. |
I don't see this happening. With a lack of social welfare programs, there will always be plenty of old, forgotten senior citizens to keep the 'tradition' alive. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:47 am Post subject: |
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| motiontodismiss wrote: |
| bucheon bum wrote: |
Seoul's high population is also more due to the fact that it is both the economic and political capital of the country and less due to the population boom. And overpopulated? That's your opinion. Unless there is some water, food, or housing shortage, I'd say it would be hard to argue that a place was overpopulated. |
Seoul's price to income ratio for housing is higher than that of New York. And New York>>>>>>>>>>>Seoul. Overpopulated is a fact, not an opinion. the PIR, lowest birth rate in the OECD, the declining population of Seoul proper, all are proof of that fact.
Honestly speaking, 50 million people shouldn't be living in a country this big. The whole country's overpopulated. Korea's only able to produce something like 25% of its food supply. |
How is any of that proof? They are potential signs, but hardly conclusive proof. What does PIR stand for? Googled it and got a long list of acroynms, none that seemed to fit.
1. Lowest birth rate in the OECD. True. But what's 2nd? Czech Republic. 3rd is Poland. The slovak republic? Hungary? None are overpopulated. There are MANY contributing factors to birth rate. I'd argue that cultural factors are a bigger factor (like in Japan). Fewer women want to get married and be housewives. Instead they'd prefer being single and working. Korea has the 2nd highest divorce rate in the world, and I believe its marriage rate has steadily decreased. Are you going to blame those on overpopulation too?
2. The decling population of Seoul proper. No doubt one contributing factor is housing costs and more bang for your buck elsewhere. That is not a sign of overpopulation, that's a sign of market forces working.
3. 25% of its food supply. So? Singapore produces even less. But singapore is a city state, so that shouldn't count right? Ok, how about Saudi Arabia? Or the whole Arab Peninsula? Egypt? Now egypt might be overpopulated... Anyway, it isn't like there is a lack of food in the world. Yes, there is world hunger, but that is due to poor distribution of resources. Korea does not have that problem. |
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