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Please explain Korean 'regionalism' for me.
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Taylormade



Joined: 31 Oct 2012
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 4:47 pm    Post subject: Please explain Korean 'regionalism' for me. Reply with quote

I often here people talk about Korean regionalism, and its effect on Korean elections, but the nature of this regionalism is not apparent to me. In Canada the reasons for regional differences are obvious. Quebec is culturally distinct from English-speaking Canada. The Martimes and the West are thousands of miles away from the capital city. They resent the influence of Ontario. Alberta doesn't want its oil resources 'stolen' by the federal government. etc. etc.. But Korean regionalism is not immediately apparent to many foreigners - myself included. They are, after all, all ethnically Korean and, compared to Canada, it's an awfully tiny country. I understand there's resentment of so much power being centred in Seoul, but beyond that I don't get it.

From whence cometh Korean regionalism?
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KimchiNinja



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

While I don't follow politics, there are certainly tensions between regions. Just like how people from say New York think people from Arkansas are retarded. People from Seoul think people from Jeolla province are, umm basically not so good.
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T-J



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote


Google Korea's Three Kingdom Period and start reading.
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sluggo832004



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

KimchiNinja wrote:
While I don't follow politics, there are certainly tensions between regions. Just like how people from say New York think people from Arkansas are retarded. People from Seoul think people from Jeolla province are, umm basically not so good.


Thats one hell of a generalization. Shocked
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KimchiNinja



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sluggo832004 wrote:
KimchiNinja wrote:
While I don't follow politics, there are certainly tensions between regions. Just like how people from say New York think people from Arkansas are retarded. People from Seoul think people from Jeolla province are, umm basically not so good.


Thats one hell of a generalization. Shocked


Sure, just passing on what people from Seoul say as an example of regional tensions.
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sluggo832004



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I live in Daegu, and Seoul people think Daegu people are strange and weird. And I would agree 100 percent with Seoul people. Smile

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coralreefer_1



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sluggo832004 wrote:
I lie in Daegu, and Seoul people think Daegu people are strange and weird. And I would agree 100 percent with Seoul people. Smile



Ive heard similar things over the years, but one distinction is that in the case of genders, the guys up north tend to LOVE Daegu girls...because they say stuff like "oppa" so much, and/or otherwise stroke the ego of the men and make them feel strong/manly/tough.

Not sure if that's true, but have heard it many times.
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jvalmer



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is a rivalry factor between the Gyeongsang and Jeolla provinces. Those two regions used to be the centers of two of the three competing kingdoms. This goes back more than 700 years before Korea was actually united under one ruling power. The 3rd kingdon was based largely in what is North Korea now.

Funny thing is that there was a significant population transfer from Jeolla to Gyeongsang during the Korean war. Maybe that explains the 'Liberals' getting about 25% of the popular vote in the Gyeongsang region, while the Conservatives barley get 10% in the Jeolla provinces.
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KimchiNinja



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sluggo832004 wrote:
I lie in Daegu, and Seoul people think Daegu people are strange and weird. And I would agree 100 percent with Seoul people. Smile


LOL, I met a person from Daegu a few weeks ago, yikes...would agree.
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jvalmer



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

coralreefer_1 wrote:
sluggo832004 wrote:
I lie in Daegu, and Seoul people think Daegu people are strange and weird. And I would agree 100 percent with Seoul people. Smile

Ive heard similar things over the years, but one distinction is that in the case of genders, the guys up north tend to LOVE Daegu girls...because they say stuff like "oppa" so much, and/or otherwise stroke the ego of the men and make them feel strong/manly/tough.

Not sure if that's true, but have heard it many times.

Apparently Gyeongsang girls' accents are considered cute. And Gyeongsang girls like guys with Seoul accents because it is supposedly softer and gentle.
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andrewchon



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are many reasons for regionalism:
1. Geography: Gyungsangdo, Jeollado are each separated from the rest by big mountain ranges and hence not much exchange happened till 1970's.
2. Reliegion: Koryo was a Buddhist nation. Choseon was Confuscious nation and when they took power, they drove the Buddhists to hinterlands i.e. Kyungsangdo. When the Christian missionaries came, Catholics worked in Jeollado and Jeju, protestants the rest. The two sects of christianity carried on their rivaly in Korea.
3. Ancient grudge: People of former Goguryo lands hasn't yet forgiven the southerners for supporting the Tang conquest. People of Baekje hasn't forgiven South-Easterners (Kyungsangdo), either. Baekje considered itself the civilized of the three kingdoms and the ill-feelings still remain. Resistance to move the capital to Sejong City (smack in the middle of Baekje) is due in part to that.
4. Economics: Rebuilding after the war involved a great deal of trade with Japan. This meant Gyungsangdo, in particular southern part, which is closer to Japan, got most of the development i.e. Ulsan, Pohang. Jeollado got ZIP. President Park JungHee (father of new president) came from Gumi, Gyungsangdo, and that didn't help much in quelling the regional divide, either. JeollaNamdo remains the poorest province in Korea but JeollaBukdo got car industries in Gunsan.
5. Politics: After the Surrender of Japan, and before the war, most of the troubles agitated by pinkos concentrated around... Jeollado. Gwangju wasn't the only city that rebelled after the coup d'etat but strongman Chun (from Gyungsangdo) didn't waste an opportunity to settle an old score.

Those are the majors, and loads more minor reasons.


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Taylormade



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

andrewchon wrote:
There are many reasons for regionalism:
1. Geography: Gyungsangdo, Geollado are separated from the rest by big mountain ranges and hence not much exchange happened till 1970's.
2. Religion: Koryo was a Buddhist nation. Chosoen was Confuscion nation and drove the Buddhists to hinterlands i.e. Kyungsangdo. When the Christian missionaries came, Catholics worked in Geollado and Jeju. Protestants the rest.
3. Ancient grudge: People of Former Goguryo hasn't yet forgiven the southerners for supporting the Tang conquest.
4. Economics: Rebuilding after the war involved a great deal of trade with Japan. This meant Gyungsando, in particular southern part, which is closer to Japan got most of the development i.e. Ulsan, Pohang. Geollado got ZIP. President Park JungHee came from Gumi, Gyungsangdo, that didn't help much in quelling the regional divide. GeollaNamdo remains the poorest province in Korea but GeollaBukdo got car industries in Gunsan.
5. Politics: After the Surrender of Japan, and before the war, most of the troubles agitated by pinkos concentrated around... Geollado. Gwangju wasn't the only city that rebelled about the coup d'etat but strongman Chun, (from Gyungsando) didn't waste an opportunity to settle an old score.

Those are the majors, and loads more minor reasons.


Thank you. Can you recommend a decent history book that focuses on the regional differences?
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andrewchon



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Simon Winchester's book 'Korea: A walk though the land of miracles' is a good read.
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Taylormade



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

andrewchon wrote:
Simon Winchester's book 'Korea: A walk though the land of miracles' is a good read.


Cheers.
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sluggo832004



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

coralreefer_1 wrote:
sluggo832004 wrote:
I lie in Daegu, and Seoul people think Daegu people are strange and weird. And I would agree 100 percent with Seoul people. Smile



Ive heard similar things over the years, but one distinction is that in the case of genders, the guys up north tend to LOVE Daegu girls...because they say stuff like "oppa" so much, and/or otherwise stroke the ego of the men and make them feel strong/manly/tough.

Not sure if that's true, but have heard it many times.


They act like high school girls. Alot of them do. Lots of cliques in daegu as well. Not alot of people skills. But once they finally get comfortable with you, they will open up and are nice. But its very normal to go to a club and see women dressed like hookers yet wont dance and even get mad at you for starting a conversation. Very Happy

Once you break through that 100 foot wall they place in front of you, they are good people. Daegu is like one of those towns you see in a horror movie where everyone is weird like they are hiding something or know a secret that you dont know. Laughing

But hey at least we have a Costco. Cool


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