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KimchiNinja
Joined: 01 May 2012
Location: Gangnam
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 Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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Ah okay.
So how are these companies destroying Korea? Don't they provide lots of jobs for folks? Or is it because they discourage competition. |
If the Chaebols are to KR as the Corporations are to the US, they ought to contain their power now before they lose control completely.
Didn't what's-her-bucket say she was for cracking down on the Chaebols? |
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newb
Joined: 27 Aug 2012
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm so glad that conservative candidate (irreguarless of ex-dictator's daughter) won the election. Koreans with conservative thinking generally have their head screwed on right. |
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NohopeSeriously
Joined: 17 Jan 2011
Location: The Christian Right-Wing Educational Republic of Korea
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| Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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I thought what Park Geun-Hye said after victory was interesting.
"I will start an era of happiness in the nation."
You'd never hear a politician in the West say that. It would be "I will increase minimum wage, lower unemployment, lower taxes" with the assumption perhaps that happiness would thereby increase. But a Westerner would never say "I will increase national happiness during my term". |
You do know that Koreans don't think realistically in any political spectrum, left or right. This is what happens when ideological struggles go too far.
One of the biggest flaws/fallacies that most Westerners makes on South Korean politics is this: Koreans respect realpolitik. |
^ Sorry I don't actually know what any of this means, I just thought it interesting. |
Think of it this way. South Korea is still stuck in the 1950s-ish Cold War era. Political ideologies are still influential in the politics. Both Koreas cannot socially progress compare to the West. Plus, South Korean presidents are like "father" or "mother" figures, sort of like how North Koreans view their leader.
You see. South Korea and North Korea aren't that different if you stop thinking with a western bias. |
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sluggo832004
Joined: 04 Sep 2010
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| Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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| They don't provide that many jobs actually. I read figures that said they provide 5% of the jobs but contribute half of the GDP. They kill competition, kill the mom and pop stores. Literally every franchise you see is owned by a Chaebol, they even have stakes in major Western brands operating in Korea (for example Starbucks Korea is a 50/50 joint venture with Shinsagae, which is part of the Samsung broader group). |
If you like shopping in the small markets, please continue to do so. I'll happily shop at the larger chains.
You blame the conglomerates for the dying Mom and Pop stores, I blame their shitty product line, bad sanitation, and irregular customer service. |
Let the church say "AMEN!". |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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| you can expect the North to assume they can push her around, because she's a woman. |
Not necessarily. Communist ideology has historically been much more receptive to notions of gender equality.
I think they will put more weight on her being the offspring of Park Chung Hee (and her mother's assassination) than they will on her being a woman.
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"I will start an era of happiness in the nation."
You'd never hear a politician in the West say that. |
Hope and Change? "It's morning in America"
Things may be lost in translation.
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| Yeah- she is a woman and that's good on the surface |
This is the problem with the perception of politics back home- Which headline is more essential to the issue
#1)First Woman President of S. Korea
#2)Daughter of Former Dictator Assumes Office
Back home, headline #1 is viewed as the essential part of the story and what will likely drive the candidate.
I bet if you were to talk to people in more agrarian, family-centric societies, #2 would carry far more weight. Family ties trump "identity".
We don't really get "Family" back home as much as we used to. For us its he black? Gay? Mormon? etc. But what can really matter sometimes is who their family is. I think "they're a Kennedy" is maybe one of our few exceptions, possibly "A Bush" as well.
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| How many times did he effectively say, "Any provocation, or further provocation, will result in serious consequences?" How many provocations were there? And did anybody actually see the promised serious consequences? |
I'd say the development of trade links with China and a China-ROK trade bill being considered is serious consequences for the North.
The second Chinese trade reaches that point where serious NK action would have significant impacts on Chinese businesses is the point where NK realizes the game is up and they've been put out to pasture.
I think that that's one of the benefits of having a business leader in and that in the business sphere, the real "weakening" and "retaliation" can occur.
2MB could have ordered some retaliatory air strikes or a few NK patrol boats sunk. Whoop de doo. Looks tough, doesn't accomplish anything.
Trade bill with China? Billions of Chinese assets within range of NK's artillery and would be destroyed in any attack? That's a game changer. NK's next to last card will have been taken out, leaving only the nuclear option. A suicidal option in the end.
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| You blame the conglomerates for the dying Mom and Pop stores, I blame their shitty product line, bad sanitation, and irregular customer service. |
I believe that it is in my short and mid-term financial interests to patronize such places. 100,000 more won a week in their pockets might be the cash that they would choose to spend on Hagwon/private lessons for their grandkids. |
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Otherside
Joined: 06 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, that's Samsung. Samsung is not the only Chaebol though, they're just the biggest.
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If you like shopping in the small markets, please continue to do so. I'll happily shop at the larger chains.
You blame the conglomerates for the dying Mom and Pop stores, I blame their shitty product line, bad sanitation, and irregular customer service.
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I agree with you. I wasn't posting against the Chaebols, I was presenting the argument against them. |
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KimchiNinja
Joined: 01 May 2012
Location: Gangnam
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| Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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| KimchiNinja wrote: |
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I thought what Park Geun-Hye said after victory was interesting.
"I will start an era of happiness in the nation."
You'd never hear a politician in the West say that. It would be "I will increase minimum wage, lower unemployment, lower taxes" with the assumption perhaps that happiness would thereby increase. But a Westerner would never say "I will increase national happiness during my term". |
You do know that Koreans don't think realistically in any political spectrum, left or right. This is what happens when ideological struggles go too far.
One of the biggest flaws/fallacies that most Westerners makes on South Korean politics is this: Koreans respect realpolitik. |
^ Sorry I don't actually know what any of this means, I just thought it interesting. |
Think of it this way. South Korea is still stuck in the 1950s-ish Cold War era. Political ideologies are still influential in the politics. Both Koreas cannot socially progress compare to the West. Plus, South Korean presidents are like "father" or "mother" figures, sort of like how North Koreans view their leader.
You see. South Korea and North Korea aren't that different if you stop thinking with a western bias. |
Oh, didn't think of it that way. |
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NohopeSeriously
Joined: 17 Jan 2011
Location: The Christian Right-Wing Educational Republic of Korea
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| Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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| NohopeSeriously wrote: |
| KimchiNinja wrote: |
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I thought what Park Geun-Hye said after victory was interesting.
"I will start an era of happiness in the nation."
You'd never hear a politician in the West say that. It would be "I will increase minimum wage, lower unemployment, lower taxes" with the assumption perhaps that happiness would thereby increase. But a Westerner would never say "I will increase national happiness during my term". |
You do know that Koreans don't think realistically in any political spectrum, left or right. This is what happens when ideological struggles go too far.
One of the biggest flaws/fallacies that most Westerners makes on South Korean politics is this: Koreans respect realpolitik. |
^ Sorry I don't actually know what any of this means, I just thought it interesting. |
Think of it this way. South Korea is still stuck in the 1950s-ish Cold War era. Political ideologies are still influential in the politics. Both Koreas cannot socially progress compare to the West. Plus, South Korean presidents are like "father" or "mother" figures, sort of like how North Koreans view their leader.
You see. South Korea and North Korea aren't that different if you stop thinking with a western bias. |
Oh, didn't think of it that way. |
As crazy as it sounds, truth is stranger than fiction.  |
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Moondoggy
Joined: 07 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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| NohopeSeriously wrote: |
| KimchiNinja wrote: |
| NohopeSeriously wrote: |
| KimchiNinja wrote: |
I thought what Park Geun-Hye said after victory was interesting.
"I will start an era of happiness in the nation."
You'd never hear a politician in the West say that. It would be "I will increase minimum wage, lower unemployment, lower taxes" with the assumption perhaps that happiness would thereby increase. But a Westerner would never say "I will increase national happiness during my term". |
You do know that Koreans don't think realistically in any political spectrum, left or right. This is what happens when ideological struggles go too far.
One of the biggest flaws/fallacies that most Westerners makes on South Korean politics is this: Koreans respect realpolitik. |
^ Sorry I don't actually know what any of this means, I just thought it interesting. |
Think of it this way. South Korea is still stuck in the 1950s-ish Cold War era. Political ideologies are still influential in the politics. Both Koreas cannot socially progress compare to the West. Plus, South Korean presidents are like "father" or "mother" figures, sort of like how North Koreans view their leader.
You see. South Korea and North Korea aren't that different if you stop thinking with a western bias. |
Are you stupid or simply jealous? Let�s not forget that S. Korea is a democratic country and the proud citizens of the nation chose their president with a fair vote. It's been great to watch Korea thrive and grow into a place of prominence in the world today despite hostile neighbors and we should look forward to its continuous growth and prosperity in the future. |
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NohopeSeriously
Joined: 17 Jan 2011
Location: The Christian Right-Wing Educational Republic of Korea
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| Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Are you stupid or simply jealous? Let�s not forget that S. Korea is a democratic country and the proud citizens of the nation chose their president with a fair vote. It's been great to watch Korea thrive and grow into a place of prominence in the world today despite hostile neighbors and we should look forward to its continuous growth and prosperity in the future. |
Just because it's democracy, this doesn't mean that it's automatically good for the people. South Korea's economy prospered during the oppressive military dictatorship era.
I believe in Hans-Hermann Hoppe's idea of "Democracy has nothing to do with freedom. Democracy is a soft variant of communism, and rarely in the history of ideas has it been taken for anything else" |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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If you like shopping in the small markets, please continue to do so. I'll happily shop at the larger chains.
You blame the conglomerates for the dying Mom and Pop stores, I blame their shitty product line, bad sanitation, and irregular customer service.
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I agree with you. I wasn't posting against the Chaebols, I was presenting the argument against them. |
My bad - sorry, Otherside. |
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saram_
Joined: 13 May 2008
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| Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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That says that your stats couldn't be more wrong if you tried!
Park won Busan with 60%,
She won Incheon and Gyeonggi.
The Southern Parts (North and South Jeolla) voted Moon by landslide amounts 85%, in addition to Gwangju, which Moon got 93%.
Looking at the official results now sure does tell a different story..
Moon won Gwangju and Seoul though and also the Jeolla Province areas..
Park won the rest..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Korean_presidential_election,_2012#Election_results
I must have mis read... 
The problem with conglomerates is that they have too much power and influence. There is too much corruption then simply because these super chains are being given favors in returns for money etc..
They have a vice like grip on what happens in Korea.
How can Korea curb its long working hours?
Most people just work too much for not enough.- No overtime, etc.
People cannot change this because those huge companies have too much say in what the government does.
A proper minimum wage, shorter working hours etc are off limits as long as the conglomerates have their way.
The rich stay rich and the rich stay poor... Its very hard to shake this.
Park was adopting a strong stance against the Chaebols at one stage during the campaign but quickly had to rein it in... when she realised this would probably not get her elected!
Hopefully she will do a good job to shake things up. She should be given a chance anyway! |
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dairyairy
Joined: 17 May 2012
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 12:47 am Post subject: |
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Not necessarily. Communist ideology has historically been much more receptive to notions of gender equality.
I think they will put more weight on her being the offspring of Park Chung Hee (and her mother's assassination) than they will on her being a woman.
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FWIW I've read that attitudes towards women in North Korea are much, much worse than those in South Korea. But, for whatever reason, she will be forced to prove her toughness, probably from day one. And those attacks on her will come from political foes in the South. |
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dairyairy
Joined: 17 May 2012
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| One thing that hasn't been discussed is that LMB had a much larger majority to work with in the National Assembly. Park has a razor-thin majority for her term, but given her background in that elected body and her ability to "get things done" she may actually get more legislation passed and made law. But we will see more brawls. |
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NohopeSeriously
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