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baedaebok
Joined: 27 Feb 2007
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 Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 8:54 am Post subject: Stay-at-home-mom culture changing in Korea |
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With the the election of the new president, i wonder if the stay-at-home-mom culture will change (or, INHO, erode). The US is reaping the results of years of working moms & latch-key children. Was the Sandy Hook killer a latch-key kid who lashed out at his mom and where she worked? Did she run out of love & energy to show to her son b/c it was spent on her students?
Are working moms healthy for society? As more moms of young kids enter the workforce, will violence and hopelessness increase? |
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highstreet
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| Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 9:25 am Post subject: |
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| Do the majority of Korean mothers stay at home? It seems as if most of them work. |
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nautilus
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Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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| Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 9:45 am Post subject: |
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| Do the majority of Korean mothers stay at home? It seems as if most of them work. |
The issue is the sort of jobs they're doing though.
Mostly its a case of part time, low status, non-professional service work.
And the few that make it into the corporate world quickly hit their head on a glass ceiling. |
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PatrickGHBusan
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Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 10:05 am Post subject: |
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First I do not think there is such a clear causal relationship between working mothers and the rise of violence in society from kids. In fact, I would love to see any such study trying to establish that link.
As for Korean women, many of my wife's female friends in Korea work. Most are married and have school age kids. It became an economic necessity to do so for many.
The status of women in the workforce needs to improve and it is part of this new president's mandate to do so. Will she actually do something and get results? Time will tell.
One thing is certain, this kind of change takes time, a lot of time. |
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Newbie
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| Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 10:05 am Post subject: |
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Great.
Now we can all expect childhood obesity to rise (quicker than it already is), youth crime to go up, and the Korean education system to tank, just like the US has been doing for the last 30 years.
*Edit: I don't mean to imply it has to be the women who should be staying home. But someone should! |
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No_hite_pls
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| Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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Great.
Now we can all expect childhood obesity to rise (quicker than it already is), youth crime to go up, and the Korean education system to tank, just like the US has been doing for the last 30 years.
*Edit: I don't mean to imply it has to be the women who should be staying home. But someone should! |
You are completely wrong about two of your points. Crime in states is the lowest it has been since 1964 and literacy rate is the highest it has ever been.
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In 2009 America's crime rate was roughly the same as in 1968, with the homicide rate being at its lowest level since 1964. Overall, the national crime rate was 3466 crimes per 100,000 residents, down from 3680 crimes per 100,000 residents forty years earlier in 1969 (-9.4%)
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Why do people always glorify the past. The past wasn't that good.
http://io9.com/5933173/three-strange-theories-about-why-americas-crime-rate-is-so-low |
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Newbie
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| Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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| No_hite_pls wrote: |
| Newbie wrote: |
Great.
Now we can all expect childhood obesity to rise (quicker than it already is), youth crime to go up, and the Korean education system to tank, just like the US has been doing for the last 30 years.
*Edit: I don't mean to imply it has to be the women who should be staying home. But someone should! |
You are completely wrong about two of your points. Crime in states is the lowest it has been since 1964 and literacy rate is the highest it has ever been.
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In 2009 America's crime rate was roughly the same as in 1968, with the homicide rate being at its lowest level since 1964. Overall, the national crime rate was 3466 crimes per 100,000 residents, down from 3680 crimes per 100,000 residents forty years earlier in 1969 (-9.4%)
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Why do people always glorify the past. The past wasn't that good.
http://io9.com/5933173/three-strange-theories-about-why-americas-crime-rate-is-so-low |
Are those stats for "youth crime" as I specified in my post?
If not, I'm sure you'll probably dig up some other links that are related to youth crime and do in fact prove me wrong ... but, just wondering! 
And yes, "literacy" rate are up. But it seems to me like that should hardly be the only thing we should look at when judging a country's education system.
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PatrickGHBusan
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| Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Well where we live, the vast majority of kids go to a daycare during the day, hence no point in anyone staying home. Just saying times have changed. I assume a similar thing will happen (is happening) in Korea as women work more. |
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Hugo85
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As obesity has been on a steady rise in the USA, so has the amount of cankles one sees on a daily basis. I think that anyone who is a beta male in the USA must feel a profound rage at realizing that they will have no choice but to marry a cankle-weilding female.
The thing is that many things change over time and that you can't say "this has gone down/up and is therefore the cause for another terrible thing" for everything. |
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Newbie
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| Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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As obesity has been on a steady rise in the USA, so has the amount of cankles one sees on a daily basis. I think that anyone who is a beta male in the USA must feel a profound rage at realizing that they will have no choice but to marry a cankle-weilding female.
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And I'm sure American women, cankled and non, are just ecstatic about the possibility of landing themselves a fat, NFL jersey wearing slob, who can't see his own toes or twinkie because of his disgustingly large stomach.
What the heck does your blurb have to do with anything? |
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Who's Your Daddy?
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Location: Victoria, Canada.
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| Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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We have a 14 month old. We plan to send him to kindergarten in a few months. But my wife will probably still not work - because all the jobs pay so little.
Most of the family friends we have send their kids to kinder, but the mothers don't work.
Kinder is cheap. 400K. Free if you are poor, you get govt. support. But still most jobs for women pay poorly.
As of 2005 (I can't find a more recent #) 70% of women workers were "irregular" workers.
http://www.tni.org/archives/asem-seoul_008park |
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jvalmer
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| Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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| And the few that make it into the corporate world quickly hit their head on a glass ceiling. |
The case in most countries. Most women also have to make the decision of either to have kids, or not have any, in order to advance in their careers.
Also a reason most Korean parents have traditionally steered their daughters towards education or nursing. In both of those fields there are little barriers in advancement. And I've noticed an increase in woman principals and vice-principals. |
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cfile2
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| Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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| No_hite_pls wrote: |
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Great.
Now we can all expect childhood obesity to rise (quicker than it already is), youth crime to go up, and the Korean education system to tank, just like the US has been doing for the last 30 years.
*Edit: I don't mean to imply it has to be the women who should be staying home. But someone should! |
You are completely wrong about two of your points. Crime in states is the lowest it has been since 1964 and literacy rate is the highest it has ever been.
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In 2009 America's crime rate was roughly the same as in 1968, with the homicide rate being at its lowest level since 1964. Overall, the national crime rate was 3466 crimes per 100,000 residents, down from 3680 crimes per 100,000 residents forty years earlier in 1969 (-9.4%)
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Why do people always glorify the past. The past wasn't that good.
http://io9.com/5933173/three-strange-theories-about-why-americas-crime-rate-is-so-low |
Are those stats for "youth crime" as I specified in my post?
If not, I'm sure you'll probably dig up some other links that are related to youth crime and do in fact prove me wrong ... but, just wondering!
And yes, "literacy" rate are up. But it seems to me like that should hardly be the only thing we should look at when judging a country's education system. |
I can't speak for the states, but Canada's youth crime rate has fallen considerably over the last decade. Between 2010 and 2011, both the youth crime rate and the youth CSI fell 10%. Since 2001, the youth CSI fell by 22%. I don't know to what extent the US mirrors us exactly or not, but I would expect similar trends.
Violent crime is over-reported in the media giving you the illusion that it's on the rise. Not exactly a new phenomenon. |
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NohopeSeriously
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 7:48 pm Post subject: Re: Stay-at-home-mom culture changing in Korea |
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| baedaebok wrote: |
With the the election of the new president, i wonder if the stay-at-home-mom culture will change (or, INHO, erode). The US is reaping the results of years of working moms & latch-key children. Was the Sandy Hook killer a latch-key kid who lashed out at his mom and where she worked? Did she run out of love & energy to show to her son b/c it was spent on her students?
Are working moms healthy for society? As more moms of young kids enter the workforce, will violence and hopelessness increase? |
Adam Lanza's mom Nancy did not work and never taught. I don't believe she even worked. She got alimony from her ex-husband.
Ny times article
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News reports on Friday suggested that Ms. Lanza had worked at the elementary school where the shooting occurred, but on Saturday the school superintendent said there was no evidence that she had ever worked there.
The authorities said it was not clear why Mr. Lanza had gone to the school. |
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