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Paddycakes
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Dodge7
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 Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 5:45 am Post subject: Re: Expats in Asia on the Decline... interesting read |
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Makes sense to me. |
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PatrickGHBusan
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| Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 6:21 am Post subject: Re: Expats in Asia on the Decline... interesting read |
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This trend has been true in the corporate world for a while. It also makes sense from a business standpoint. |
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young_clinton
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| Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 6:35 am Post subject: |
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| I don't think that's affecting the foriegn teaching scene yet. |
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TheUrbanMyth
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| Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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| young_clinton wrote: |
| I don't think that's affecting the foriegn teaching scene yet. |
True. This article is about the corporate world and has nothing to do with the teaching scene. |
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TheUrbanMyth
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| Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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| young_clinton wrote: |
| I don't think that's affecting the foriegn teaching scene yet. |
True. This article is about the corporate world and has nothing to do with the teaching scene. |
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northway
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| Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| young_clinton wrote: |
| I don't think that's affecting the foriegn teaching scene yet. |
True. This article is about the corporate world and has nothing to do with the teaching scene. |
And even within that it focuses pretty heavily on executive positions, which wouldn't even be where your average ESLer would be anywhere near being able to transition into. |
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nate1983
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| Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| young_clinton wrote: |
| I don't think that's affecting the foriegn teaching scene yet. |
True. This article is about the corporate world and has nothing to do with the teaching scene. |
Which gives someone who's spent time teaching ESL/learning the local culture and language a big advantage vis-�-vis other expats competing for those positions. |
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FalseFace
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| Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 9:55 pm Post subject: Really? |
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[quote="young_clinton"]I don't think that's affecting the foriegn teaching scene yet.[/quote]
What do you think the purpose of the budget cuts are for? They're going to hire Koreans who are more qualified to replace expat teachers and co-teachers - less money to spend. That's already happening with GEPIK on the secondary level. |
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newb
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| Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 12:27 am Post subject: Re: Really? |
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| FalseFace wrote: |
| young_clinton wrote: |
| I don't think that's affecting the foriegn teaching scene yet. |
What do you think the purpose of the budget cuts are for? They're going to hire Koreans who are more qualified to replace expat teachers and co-teachers - less money to spend. That's already happening with GEPIK on the secondary level. |
It's my understanding that hiring more contracted Korean conversation teachers may be held back next year, because their union is pushing the agenda of indefinite certified teachers' status.
The teacher's union and their union are going to butt heads over this issue. Certified teachers are opposing the temp Korean English teachers from becoming one of them because temps didn't take and/or pass the exam to get certified like they have.
I really don't care which union ends up winning, but I suspect another round of rushed FT recruitment coming up as the new budget magically appears next year. |
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PatrickGHBusan
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| Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 4:56 am Post subject: |
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| nate1983 wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| young_clinton wrote: |
| I don't think that's affecting the foriegn teaching scene yet. |
True. This article is about the corporate world and has nothing to do with the teaching scene. |
Which gives someone who's spent time teaching ESL/learning the local culture and language a big advantage vis-�-vis other expats competing for those positions. |
If they also have relevant qualifications it does. Otherwise, it is irrelevant.... |
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nate1983
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| Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 5:09 am Post subject: |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| nate1983 wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| young_clinton wrote: |
| I don't think that's affecting the foriegn teaching scene yet. |
True. This article is about the corporate world and has nothing to do with the teaching scene. |
Which gives someone who's spent time teaching ESL/learning the local culture and language a big advantage vis-�-vis other expats competing for those positions. |
If they also have relevant qualifications it does. Otherwise, it is irrelevant.... |
Well of course. I meant all else equal, who will they send? I was the first junior-level westerner to be sent to the Korean office in our company (6000 employees in Korea) and I think having spent two years in Seoul teaching and learning the language may have had just a little to do with that. |
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PatrickGHBusan
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| Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 5:15 am Post subject: |
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Indeed it may have. I was only saying that expat experience alone (including learning a language and knowing some of the local culture) will not translate into a better shot at an executive position abroad.
I am sure you had some sort of relevant qualifications to go along with your expat experiences.
I do consulting for a few companies that send their people abroad (North Am to Asia and Asia to North Am) so those skills you mention are in demand but the people being sent need to have business qualifications as well.
As for the article, I have noticed the trend it mentions as some of my client companies have decided to hire locally instead of sending their people abroad. The pool of qualified people is just that interesting for them in the target countries. Korea is good example with its ample supply of qualified University grads. |
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northway
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| Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 7:55 am Post subject: |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
Indeed it may have. I was only saying that expat experience alone (including learning a language and knowing some of the local culture) will not translate into a better shot at an executive position abroad.
I am sure you had some sort of relevant qualifications to go along with your expat experiences.
I do consulting for a few companies that send their people abroad (North Am to Asia and Asia to North Am) so those skills you mention are in demand but the people being sent need to have business qualifications as well.
As for the article, I have noticed the trend it mentions as some of my client companies have decided to hire locally instead of sending their people abroad. The pool of qualified people is just that interesting for them in the target countries. Korea is good example with its ample supply of qualified University grads. |
A business degree helps, but is not absolutely necessary. I know a bunch of graduates from my university who are employed in business in Asia with BAs. Who you know is far more relevant than what you studied.
As for Korea: there may be academically qualified candidates, but business culture is still a serious issue. My company is Korean owned and operated, and 25% of our new hires in Korea quit within two weeks after finding out that there is no smoking on company grounds, no drinking at company gatherings, and the expectation that you finish your work efficiently and leave the office at 6 PM. Moreover, they've taken to hiring foreigners for international sales positions, as their Korean staff complain to no end every time they're asked to go anywhere at all outside of their comfort zone (when much of our business is done in the Middle East).
With about two-thirds of all communications at my company conducted in English, I can say from experience that Korea's English proficiency is still a constant issue, and I've found myself using Microsoft Paint to explain things on a few occasions. |
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cheolsu
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| Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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| northway wrote: |
| A business degree helps, but is not absolutely necessary. I know a bunch of graduates from my university who are employed in business in Asia with BAs. Who you know is far more relevant than what you studied. |
Case in point: the guy working for the Canadian government and running his own consulting business with what I presume is a B. Ed. Correct me if I'm wrong, Patrick. To close the loophole in what Patrick was saying, you won't get anywhere knowing the language and culture if you don't have qualifications, experience or connections. |
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