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Fox
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| I'm inclined to agree with catflap. |
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PRagic
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| Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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Sure, most would. But the point is not that having a good personality is not a good thing, or even a disadvantage. The point is that that, for the most part, is the point FROM which you build your contributing skills.
My dad always said, "A quarter and a(n) ___________ will get you half a cup of coffee." These days coffee is a heck of a lot more than 50 cents, but insert 'good personality' and you get the picture. Still holds true IMHO. |
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edwardcatflap
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| Sure, most would. But the point is not that having a good personality is not a good thing, or even a disadvantage. The point is that that, for the most part, is the point FROM which you build your contributing skills. |
That might be your point but the guy who wrote the article says he'd like to wake up to a recording of Alec Baldwin saying 'Nice guy? I don't give a shit.' every morning to remind him of what the world is really like. That suggests to me that he doesn't think having a nice personality is important in life. Otherwise he'd just be making the point that employers require specific job skills, which is fairly obvious. |
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recessiontime
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| Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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| It's not only skills that people are drawn to. People with wealth, beauty, power and celebrity are all things people value (unless you want to insist of being the devil's advocate). Some people are born incredibly rich/beautiful and society doesn't seem to care where it came from so as long as they can get their hands on it. People want to associate with other people of value and simply having a nice personality or being very good at childish hobbies does not quite cut it often. Go ahead and disagree with the way of the world but I'd personally rather face it head on. |
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recessiontime
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| Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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| edwardcatflap wrote: |
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| Sure, most would. But the point is not that having a good personality is not a good thing, or even a disadvantage. The point is that that, for the most part, is the point FROM which you build your contributing skills. |
That might be your point but the guy who wrote the article says he'd like to wake up to a recording of Alec Baldwin saying 'Nice guy? I don't give a shit.' every morning to remind him of what the world is really like. That suggests to me that he doesn't think having a nice personality is important in life. Otherwise he'd just be making the point that employers require specific job skills, which is fairly obvious. |
It was pretty clear that he says that being a nice guy or having a nice personality is the bare minimum. It isn't a stretch to say having a nice personality is common. People want more. Women would choose the nice guy who's a millionaire than the nice guy who has a boring office job. Women will walk over sharp objects to go on a date with a rock star or celebrity, not so sure if they will do the same to make plans with the average guy. You might say that these people are just incredibly shallow but unfortunately this is human nature, this is the way of the world, it's not pretty. |
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edwardcatflap
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| It was pretty clear that he says that being a nice guy or having a nice personality is the bare minimum. It isn't a stretch to say having a nice personality is common. |
I'd disagree with you there. If you take 'having a nice personality' to mean being able to get on with someone, everyone has a different idea of what that entails and it's not uncommon to find that few people meet one's criteria.
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| Go ahead and disagree with the way of the world but I'd personally rather face it head on. |
So what do you personally do to face this head on? How do you live your life differently? Get plastic sugery? Do the lottery? Audition for reality TV shows? Just curious. |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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| recessiontime wrote: |
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| Sure, most would. But the point is not that having a good personality is not a good thing, or even a disadvantage. The point is that that, for the most part, is the point FROM which you build your contributing skills. |
That might be your point but the guy who wrote the article says he'd like to wake up to a recording of Alec Baldwin saying 'Nice guy? I don't give a shit.' every morning to remind him of what the world is really like. That suggests to me that he doesn't think having a nice personality is important in life. Otherwise he'd just be making the point that employers require specific job skills, which is fairly obvious. |
It was pretty clear that he says that being a nice guy or having a nice personality is the bare minimum. It isn't a stretch to say having a nice personality is common. People want more. Women would choose the nice guy who's a millionaire than the nice guy who has a boring office job. Women will walk over sharp objects to go on a date with a rock star or celebrity, not so sure if they will do the same to make plans with the average guy. You might say that these people are just incredibly shallow but unfortunately this is human nature, this is the way of the world, it's not pretty. |
A nice personality sounds pretty bland and common, but an interesting personality, or a charismatic personality can take you very far. |
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Unposter
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I think what is missing in this converstation is perspective and values. Values are not absolute. People value different things. Whether it is personal relationships or the work place, people are looking for different things.
Do people look for things? Sure. I think that is hard to argue it is not a universal.
But, do all people look for the same things? No.
And, I think that is where people get caught up. Some people see the world as the movie character brought up does. Other people don't. If you don't, you are like wait a minute, that is not exactly right. And, they would be right, because that person and some people in the world don't value those things as highly as the character.
On the other hand, some people do value those things and are excited that they see people who share thier values, as do most people.
Now, if you are going to argue which values are better? Well, I doubt anyone is going to convince the other.
It is the cold hearted doctor, the doctor with a good bed side manner and the candy striper. The cold hearted doctor has a skill you need but you don't like him or her. The candy striper makes you feel better but he or she probably can't cure you. And, the doctor with the good bed side manner is everybody's darling.
All three have their value to society. Cold hearts and warm humanists abound and surprise-surprise find jobs and lead productive and even happy lives.
But, those who have both needed skills and a warm heart are going to be the winners everytime. And, that should not be a surprise to anyone.
Remember you are taking your philosophy of life from a humor magazine and a second-rate movie. I don't think there is anything special to be found here. |
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Leon
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| Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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edwardcatflap
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| Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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I think what is missing in this converstation is perspective and values. Values are not absolute. People value different things. Whether it is personal relationships or the work place, people are looking for different things.
Do people look for things? Sure. I think that is hard to argue it is not a universal.
But, do all people look for the same things? No.
And, I think that is where people get caught up. Some people see the world as the movie character brought up does. Other people don't. If you don't, you are like wait a minute, that is not exactly right. And, they would be right, because that person and some people in the world don't value those things as highly as the character.
On the other hand, some people do value those things and are excited that they see people who share thier values, as do most people.
Now, if you are going to argue which values are better? Well, I doubt anyone is going to convince the other.
It is the cold hearted doctor, the doctor with a good bed side manner and the candy striper. The cold hearted doctor has a skill you need but you don't like him or her. The candy striper makes you feel better but he or she probably can't cure you. And, the doctor with the good bed side manner is everybody's darling.
All three have their value to society. Cold hearts and warm humanists abound and surprise-surprise find jobs and lead productive and even happy lives.
But, those who have both needed skills and a warm heart are going to be the winners everytime. And, that should not be a surprise to anyone.
Remember you are taking your philosophy of life from a humor magazine and a second-rate movie. I don't think there is anything special to be found here. |
Well said. Except for 'second-rate movie.' IMO The dialogue and acting are superb |
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happiness
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| Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 12:14 am Post subject: |
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great article. also helped me with meeting a few new ladies (the other thread here  ) |
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PRagic
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| Unposter raises some very pertinent issues regarding perspective and values. And I'm all for anyone not buying into 'the system' to the extent that it would impinge upon their values. Just make sure that they understand this conscious decision has consequences. At no time down the road do I want to be on the hook for their welfare. At no time should they then be considered 'in need' and enabled to play a system set up to fairly support the truly disenfranchised. This is the problem with big government and socialist, redistributive policies. They cannot separate the two and, as Thatcher intuned, 'Socialists always run out of other people's money.' |
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ricochet
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| Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 12:16 pm Post subject: |
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LOL,  as if that is news to me or anybody else with common sense!! how stupid are you all? hey, i need all your money! so, give it to me or i will not like you! not only that, i will never talk to you again. who cares because i got your stupid brother's money! pm me to give me all your money coz i need it from you...just you.  |
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joelove
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| Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Why did you put the word 'common' next to the word 'sense'? |
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TheUrbanMyth
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| Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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[. What boss would ever want to hire anyone like the Alec Baldwin character in a job situation (like most are) where people have to work as part of a team?
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As a 'hatchet man' or simply somebody who makes the company a lot of money. The character made nearly a million dollars in one year...guess how much money he made for the company?
You don't want a guy like that working for the competition.
And I'm guessing the character when he first started out was a lot nicer. Now he's at the point where he doesn't need to be. |
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