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12ax7
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"The scientific consensus is that any weight loss reported by individuals on an "hCG diet" may be attributed entirely to the fact that such diets prescribe calorie intake of between 500 and 1,000 calories per day, substantially below recommended levels for an adult, to the point that this may risk health effects associated with malnutrition. For comparison, hCG diets typically recommend calorie intake approximately half that of the inmates at Auschwitz, where inmates engaged in heavy labor received 1,700 calories per day and those on light work 1,300."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_chorionic_gonadotropin#.22HCG_Diet.22[/u] |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 1:41 am Post subject: |
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That is seriously messed up. |
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D.D.
Joined: 29 May 2008
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| Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 6:02 am Post subject: |
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"The scientific consensus is that any weight loss reported by individuals on an "hCG diet" may be attributed entirely to the fact that such diets prescribe calorie intake of between 500 and 1,000 calories per day, substantially below recommended levels for an adult, to the point that this may risk health effects associated with malnutrition. For comparison, hCG diets typically recommend calorie intake approximately half that of the inmates at Auschwitz, where inmates engaged in heavy labor received 1,700 calories per day and those on light work 1,300."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_chorionic_gonadotropin#.22HCG_Diet.22[/u] |
I love when people use quotes that start with " the scientific....." which acts like there is some honest scientific community out there that does research to assist humans. There is no one science or point of view that is correct and just because wiki takes the conservative angle on almost every topic doesn't make it correct.
As I said before you can debate this until the cows come home and there will be one side saying that I tried it and it worked and the other side saying that there is no scientific evidence.
So captain Korea I would be interested in fiding out your side effects because you have real world experience with this rather than idiots that quote second hand knowledge.
Wake the frig up people the scientific community for the most part publishes info to support the selling of products and many of these products are not good for us.
Many people are becoming obese and it is not just because they are into instant gratification or lazy it's partly because the food supply has been tainted with products that the body can't properly digest and stores as fat.
In talking to 100's of people who used hcg their experience was that the diet did exactly what it said in that the body was able to take out the remaining calories from fat stores and few experienced hunger. Many reported the weight came off in a uniform manner ie. no sagging fat in areas that people who lose rapid weight get from other methods.
I am not in favour of hcg but I am in favour of methods that help people to combat the fat they have built up. I heard the other day that 67% of Australians are now heading towards being obese.
Maybe the headlines should read that " there is scientific evidence that the food supply contains lot's of gmo products plus corn products that are poisoning people and slowly killing them by making them fat......
and that the scientific community is really doing nothing to stop this, but heh they will sell you drugs to cover over the side effects so you can go right on eating their food without noticing .
The hcg diet works but it might have some negative side effects. Does the 20-30 extra pounds have more of a negative effect? who knows?
Problem with the 4 hour body diet is he proposes a " pig out day" which doesn't take into account the effects of eating stuff like sugars, gmo products ect, which I feel have a worse effect on ones health than a month of hcg. He also states that he drinks two glasses of red wine a day which in my experience is very harmful to the body but insensitive people can't feel that and use it as an excuse to cover over a mild form of a drinking problem.
Sensitive people can feel that two glasses of wine a day is not good for them.
I am not attached to either side of the argument on things like hcg. If I had my way we would make unhealthy foods more difficult for the public to obtain and would stop pretending that advertising and a unhealthy food supply is not killing many amongst us.
Instead of discussing the hcg diet we should have threads on why everyone is getting obese and what we can do about it. Blaming the people does little good as most people don't have the level of awareness to make healthy choices. We should look to the corporations that know they are pumping people full of sh.. Why sodas and other products are still on the market is amazing. Have fun in Korea watching the younger generation expand under the marketing of dunkin donuts and every other unhealthy place on most corners. |
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12ax7
Joined: 07 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 6:51 am Post subject: |
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| D.D. wrote: |
I love when people use quotes that start with " the scientific....." which acts like there is some honest scientific community out there that does research to assist humans. There is no one science or point of view that is correct and just because wiki takes the conservative angle on almost every topic doesn't make it correct. |
Right, because a starvation diet doesn't make people lose weight on its own.
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As I said before you can debate this until the cows come home and there will be one side saying that I tried it and it worked and the other side saying that there is no scientific evidence. |
Scientific research has shown that there is no evidence that it works, and so its over-the-counter sale has been banned in the US. What more proof do you want?
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So captain Korea I would be interested in fiding out your side effects because you have real world experience with this rather than idiots that quote second hand knowledge. |
It's not second-hand knowledge. This idiot happens to have a degree in biochemistry. Yes, I know a thing or two about metabolic pathways and human physiology.
If you want to lose weight, consult a doctor or a nutritionist, not the internet. It's the healthy and wise choice. Don't get fooled by stories about how this pill or that pill or this diet or that diet will make your fat disappear magically. If you're lucky, you'll have only wasted your time and money. If you're unlucky, you could become sick or worse.
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silkhighway
Joined: 24 Oct 2010
Location: Canada
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| Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 6:57 am Post subject: |
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| D.D. wrote: |
Many people are becoming obese and it is not just because they are into instant gratification or lazy it's partly because the food supply has been tainted with products that the body can't properly digest and stores as fat.
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It's not rocket science why people are becoming obese. We, as in North Americans, live very sedentary lifestyles and eat too many calories in a society where convenience and temptation surrounds us everywhere. I don't know why people want to make it more complicated than that, because it's hard enough problem to tackle as it is.
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I am not in favour of hcg but I am in favour of methods that help people to combat the fat they have built up. I heard the other day that 67% of Australians are now heading towards being obese.
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I'm in huge favour of proven methods to combat fat they have built up to, and there are only two. Eat less calories than they expend, or in more extreme cases, get surgery to shrink their stomachs.
As for throwing around national statistics, there are lots of things we can debate about the government doing such as stricter food labelling, stricter advertising laws, etc., but this has nothing to do with how an individual should choose to diet.
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The hcg diet works but it might have some negative side effects. Does the 20-30 extra pounds have more of a negative effect? who knows?
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You are asking the wrong questions. You should be asking, will I be a healthier person? And the answer is NO, because you have not changed your lifestyle. And saying that you are motivated to change your lifestyle because you now have dropped the weight is like saying you will be motivated to exercise because you spent 4 grand on a piece of equipment.
I hope the best for you, but if I was running Vegas odds, I'd go long that you're going to gain the weight back and make it even harder to lose the next round you try. I'd cite credible scientific organizations that support this, but you obviously want to believe what you want to believe.
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He also states that he drinks two glasses of red wine a day which in my experience is very harmful to the body but insensitive people can't feel that and use it as an excuse to cover over a mild form of a drinking problem.
Sensitive people can feel that two glasses of wine a day is not good for them.
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I recently read something about a guy who lost several hundred pounds, (I can't remember where though) over a couple years. How did he do it? Even though he could only go a couple hundred metres at first, he bicycles everywhere, and he eats a very strict diet of the same meals every day which include a glass of wine with dinner. Notice it's all present tense, not past tense, because he understands he's going to have to do this the rest of his life.
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Instead of discussing the hcg diet we should have threads on why everyone is getting obese and what we can do about it. Blaming the people does little good as most people don't have the level of awareness to make healthy choices. We should look to the corporations that know they are pumping people full of sh.. Why sodas and other products are still on the market is amazing. Have fun in Korea watching the younger generation expand under the marketing of dunkin donuts and every other unhealthy place on most corners. |
Junk food is not going anywhere. Convenience food is not going anywhere. We're not going to magically redefine our cities so that people walk and bicycle everywhere. We're not going to go back in time and have your elementary school give you PE class at least an hour a day.
Sure, we can help improve things for future generations, but as an individual, you have to learn to live within the society we got, not what you want. |
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D.D.
Joined: 29 May 2008
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| Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 12:20 pm Post subject: |
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| 12ax7 wrote: |
| D.D. wrote: |
I love when people use quotes that start with " the scientific....." which acts like there is some honest scientific community out there that does research to assist humans. There is no one science or point of view that is correct and just because wiki takes the conservative angle on almost every topic doesn't make it correct. |
Right, because a starvation diet doesn't make people lose weight on its own.
| D.D. wrote: |
As I said before you can debate this until the cows come home and there will be one side saying that I tried it and it worked and the other side saying that there is no scientific evidence. |
Scientific research has shown that there is no evidence that it works, and so its over-the-counter sale has been banned in the US. What more proof do you want?
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So captain Korea I would be interested in fiding out your side effects because you have real world experience with this rather than idiots that quote second hand knowledge. |
It's not second-hand knowledge. This idiot happens to have a degree in biochemistry. Yes, I know a thing or two about metabolic pathways and human physiology.
If you want to lose weight, consult a doctor or a nutritionist, not the internet. It's the healthy and wise choice. Don't get fooled by stories about how this pill or that pill or this diet or that diet will make your fat disappear magically. If you're lucky, you'll have only wasted your time and money. If you're unlucky, you could become sick or worse. |
Text books are second hand knowledge. Just because you made it through a BSc doesnt mean that you understand how the body works. It actually means you understand the basics and unless you went to work in doing honest research with a PHd you are not even close to a real understanding of the body . Read some Candace Pert or Bruce Lipton
if you want some second hand knowledge from true researchers not supporting the status quo. Congratulations on your biology degree you sir have the abilty to read stuff and regurgitate it back onto a paper. The more you didnt question stuff the higher your mark would have been. Do you really thing someone with a bachelors gets taught how thing really work. For that you need to understand much more complex ideas than basic sciences. |
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12ax7
Joined: 07 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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| D.D. wrote: |
Text books are second hand knowledge. Just because you made it through a BSc doesnt mean that you understand how the body works. It actually means you understand the basics and unless you went to work in doing honest research with a PHd you are not even close to a real understanding of the body . Read some Candace Pert or Bruce Lipton
if you want some second hand knowledge from true researchers not supporting the status quo. Congratulations on your biology degree you sir have the abilty to read stuff and regurgitate it back onto a paper. The more you didnt question stuff the higher your mark would have been. Do you really thing someone with a bachelors gets taught how thing really work. For that you need to understand much more complex ideas than basic sciences. |
You sure like to make assumptions.
Fine, take all the quack medicine you like. It's your health and life you're putting in peril, not mine. |
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