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Salary Expectation for Native in Korean Company? Help please
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braindrops



Joined: 13 Sep 2011

PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

this threas is quite fascinating.

to be fair, there is nothing directly contradictory in hamburgs statement when he writes 3.5 for 15 hours a week...i think he didnt write 3.5 a month bc he assumed correctly that 3.5 a week is an outlandish sum esp. for 3 hrs of work a day. After all, 3.5 a week would be 700k a day...which would make the gig essentially 233k won per hour. Unless you are personally teaching park geun hye english with taxpayer money, i dont see how that makes any sense. so i think hamburg clearly meant 3.5 a month.

Hamburg is making 9m for a 38 hr work week..an enviable position indeed. In fact, those numbers would demand that he stay right where he is, because that works out to a nine figure salary for less than a standard 2000 hr billable year. I suggest staying until they rip the english textbooks out of his hands and give him a dongdaemun gold watch.

The real question when i think of the issue of getting paid to teach english is, what is the value add? And i also question the attitude of flaunting getting paid a lot to do little when the job is to teach a foreign language. In my experience, it adds imperialistic insult to injury that koreans are compelled to learn english at the expense of up to a third of their income, all the while knowing that the people who come here to teach this language often make more money for far less work and obligation. Because of people like that, English is gaining the kind of back alley vitriol usually reserved for ibankers and fund managers. It is sad that the many people who do come to korea and who genuinely appreciate the unusual situation theyre in--to earn money teaching something that any reasonably educated person back home is gifted--get lumped in with the ones who give foreign english teachers a bad rep. If you are producing fluent speakers as if by assembly line, then by all means, you deserve whatever the market for that will bear. But in my experience, those who tout how little they work and how much they make are not exactly thinking with the students interests first in mind. In those cases, what exactly is the value add that justifies such strong pay? Or is it just a matter of hoarding that info arbitrage situation and tricking them into paying you until they realize that hey, there are now a lot of smart people out in korea looking for work?
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braindrops



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

and in case you misunderstand, hamburg, that rant at the end was not directed at you...just to those in general who flaunt their status. It is very possuble you were just stating how much you make to compare your current situation to that of your prospective job. in any case, if your job pays well, more power to you. Most people would die for such circumstances...because most are here to earn money, plain and simple. My question to you, however, would be...why would you even think of leaving your current situation for one that would offer even 5.0, which you were thinking? Any job that offers 80% less income for similar hours would have to have mind boggling fringe bennies. Is this depsrtment store offering monies plus hunnies, or am i missing something? Because some of the hunnies might be worth the massive pay cut.
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ewlandon



Joined: 30 Jan 2011
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

braindrops wrote:
this threas is quite fascinating.

to be fair, there is nothing directly contradictory in hamburgs statement when he writes 3.5 for 15 hours a week...i think he didnt write 3.5 a month bc he assumed correctly that 3.5 a week is an outlandish sum esp. for 3 hrs of work a day. After all, 3.5 a week would be 700k a day...which would make the gig essentially 233k won per hour. Unless you are personally teaching park geun hye english with taxpayer money, i dont see how that makes any sense. so i think hamburg clearly meant 3.5 a month.

Hamburg is making 9m for a 38 hr work week..an enviable position indeed. In fact, those numbers would demand that he stay right where he is, because that works out to a nine figure salary for less than a standard 2000 hr billable year. I suggest staying until they rip the english textbooks out of his hands and give him a dongdaemun gold watch.

The real question when i think of the issue of getting paid to teach english is, what is the value add? And i also question the attitude of flaunting getting paid a lot to do little when the job is to teach a foreign language. In my experience, it adds imperialistic insult to injury that koreans are compelled to learn english at the expense of up to a third of their income, all the while knowing that the people who come here to teach this language often make more money for far less work and obligation. Because of people like that, English is gaining the kind of back alley vitriol usually reserved for ibankers and fund managers. It is sad that the many people who do come to korea and who genuinely appreciate the unusual situation theyre in--to earn money teaching something that any reasonably educated person back home is gifted--get lumped in with the ones who give foreign english teachers a bad rep. If you are producing fluent speakers as if by assembly line, then by all means, you deserve whatever the market for that will bear. But in my experience, those who tout how little they work and how much they make are not exactly thinking with the students interests first in mind. In those cases, what exactly is the value add that justifies such strong pay? Or is it just a matter of hoarding that info arbitrage situation and tricking them into paying you until they realize that hey, there are now a lot of smart people out in korea looking for work?



you clearly didnt read all hamburgs posts.

And hamburg if you werent making a thread abour your income why have you been talking about your income for 4 pages?


You also started this post by saying you wouldnt take less than 5 million won for a job that will never pay you 5 million won because you already make 6 million. THen you deleted part of your original post, then you changed it to 6.5-7.7 finally settling on 8.9.


Even if you did 40 1 hour private classes a week much higher than the going rate (going rate is about 30,000), say about 55,000 an hour. for privates you would still fall short of 8.9.
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Hamburgs_MecGee



Joined: 28 Jan 2012

PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 12:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

braindrops wrote:
this threas is quite fascinating.

to be fair, there is nothing directly contradictory in hamburgs statement when he writes 3.5 for 15 hours a week...i think he didnt write 3.5 a month bc he assumed correctly that 3.5 a week is an outlandish sum esp. for 3 hrs of work a day. After all, 3.5 a week would be 700k a day...which would make the gig essentially 233k won per hour. Unless you are personally teaching park geun hye english with taxpayer money, i dont see how that makes any sense. so i think hamburg clearly meant 3.5 a month.

Hamburg is making 9m for a 38 hr work week..an enviable position indeed. In fact, those numbers would demand that he stay right where he is, because that works out to a nine figure salary for less than a standard 2000 hr billable year. I suggest staying until they rip the english textbooks out of his hands and give him a dongdaemun gold watch.

The real question when i think of the issue of getting paid to teach english is, what is the value add? And i also question the attitude of flaunting getting paid a lot to do little when the job is to teach a foreign language. In my experience, it adds imperialistic insult to injury that koreans are compelled to learn english at the expense of up to a third of their income, all the while knowing that the people who come here to teach this language often make more money for far less work and obligation. Because of people like that, English is gaining the kind of back alley vitriol usually reserved for ibankers and fund managers. It is sad that the many people who do come to korea and who genuinely appreciate the unusual situation theyre in--to earn money teaching something that any reasonably educated person back home is gifted--get lumped in with the ones who give foreign english teachers a bad rep. If you are producing fluegnt speakers as if by assembly line, then by all means, you deserve whatever the market for that will bear. But in my experience, those who tout how little they work and how much they make are not exactly thinking with the students interests first in mind. In those cases, what exactly is the value add that justifies such strong pay? Or is it just a matter of hoarding that info arbitrage situation and tricking them into paying you until they realize that hey, there are now a lot of smart people out in korea looking for work?


Like i said 7 million is fulltime the 1.9 is infrequent work. After tax i yeild 6.5 or so after tax and gasoline expenses. Not bragging and if you think this is unattainable then you have no sense of the market here. Ive been doing it many years and have been getting a little tired so i entertained the switch.

And i do agree the students suffer. Im a conveyor belt like a poster said but the moneys right and ill eat demz money up.

Keep your ear to the grindstone.
Keep your nose to the limestone.
Keep your fingers on the payroll.
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Zyzyfer



Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

braindrops wrote:
and in case you misunderstand, hamburg, that rant at the end was not directed at you...just to those in general who flaunt their status. It is very possuble you were just stating how much you make to compare your current situation to that of your prospective job.


It's completely possible to ask how much a department store job would pay without tossing around your personal numbers and expectations and current salary. And I thought I gave a decent breakdown when it comes to working at a company. But then I don't really care about the numbers getting tossed around, I just wanted to answer the initial question.

small or cheapskate company - 2.5-3.0
larger business that is not a chaebol (this would include Lotte Dept Store for instance) - 3.0-4.0
chaebol; working directly as a teacher for Samsung, LG, etc - 4.0-5.0
possessing some sort of actual skill and working for a chaebol - 5.0+

That's the basic breakdown. There are exceptions but it's a good rule of thumb. It's based on my own experiences and experiences of people I know.

I do wonder however if going with a somewhat outrageous salary figure actually cuts through all of the BS that comes with the expected salary question. Maybe I'll try it next time I have to interview. Laughing
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World Traveler



Joined: 29 May 2009

PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Even if you did 40 1 hour private classes a week much higher than the going rate (going rate is about 30,000),


My god! The going rate for one hour private classes is only 30,000 an hour now?! This market is getting terrible! How much more will wages drop? (How fast is probably the more realistic question.) 헐! ㅠㅠ
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Stephen Ireland



Joined: 22 Apr 2010

PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

World Traveler wrote:
Quote:
Even if you did 40 1 hour private classes a week much higher than the going rate (going rate is about 30,000),


My god! The going rate for one hour private classes is only 30,000 an hour now?! This market is getting terrible! How much more will wages drop? (How fast is probably the more realistic question.) 헐! ㅠㅠ


I was thinking the same thing. Who are the idiots out there accepting 30,000 an hour. Minimum 50,000 and should go up to 100,000 for a specialized class. I've never worked for less than 50,000 unless it's a big block and then minimum 40,000.
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Soldier



Joined: 21 Oct 2011

PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 1:32 am    Post subject: Moderator Reply with quote

Moderator,

Would you please lock this discussion; it is now getting very counter productive. Also, it is so obvious that the origional poster is telling tales, it is misleading new teachers.

Cheers
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Hamburgs_MecGee



Joined: 28 Jan 2012

PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 5:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agee with your descriptions:

small or cheapskate company - 2.5-3.0
larger business that is not a chaebol (this would include Lotte Dept Store for instance) - 3.0-4.0
chaebol; working directly as a teacher for Samsung, LG, etc - 4.0-5.0
possessing some sort of actual skill and working for a chaebol - 5.0+

I decided I'm going to stay away from Korean Companies and stay in my current spot. Even if it's getting tedius I'm going to milk it until it dies.

Not going to be waiting for the boss to leave work everyday before I can go home to the family, *beep* that aint happenin. And not gonna be water-speaking everyday to these idiots.

Gonna keep this cow going until I make my million USD and goodbye to Korea.

Freedom 38, keep your ear to the grindstone.

And soldier, keep slaving away for Mr. Kim Hagwon, it's noble work your doing there. Only a soldier could do such nobility workingz.
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PRagic



Joined: 24 Feb 2006

PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lol...it took 4 pages to suds out that that is a crap job?

And kindly quit using that ear to the grindstone line. You may think you've hit upon a catchy phrase, but it's just annoying pure and simple.
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