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'Foreigner only' taxis passing me by to pick up Koreans!
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motiontodismiss



Joined: 18 Dec 2011

PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 1:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steelrails wrote:

I must ask- do you think a cabby should be able to refuse service to a person or persons who appear seriously intoxicated and are unaccompanied by someone sober?



Since by law they're public transportation now and are government subsidized, absolutely not. They should have their licenses suspended on the first offense and revoked (permanently) on the second. And I'd love for taxi companies to disappear and for the city to auction off taxi medals for several hundred thousand dollars like they do in NYC.

AFAIC they can do whatever they want as long as they keep their dirty little paws off my tax money. But as long as they're being subsidized, they have to follow the same rules that buses and subways do.
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nautilus



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

motiontodismiss wrote:
Steelrails wrote:

I must ask- do you think a cabby should be able to refuse service to a person or persons who appear seriously intoxicated?

...absolutely not.



Its illegal to be publicly intoxicated, so its probably illegal to pick up such a person.
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Steelrails



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, for argument's sake, these scenarios would be empowered by law-

A cabby scooping up a single stumbling girl waving for a cab. Not exactly the safest situation for here.

A cabby being forced to pick up a guy who is drunk and acting in a belligerent fashion and being forced into a cab by his mates.

A person who is intoxicated to the point where it looks like they will probably vomit or lose control of other bodily functions.

In all three of those situations, I think there might be some cause for denying service to the unaccompanied and so intoxicated. In the first case for the woman's safety. In the second, clearly there is a threat of danger to the driver, and in the third there is a significant chance of property damage or some sort of messy situation.

Trains and airlines are often government subsidized, but if you appear dramatically intoxicated, they can refuse you entry.
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dairyairy



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Taxi companies profit, drivers left out in the cold
http://koreajoongangdaily.joinsmsn.com/news/article/article.aspx?aid=2965386&cloc=joongangdaily|home|top

This is a very interesting article.

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The subcontracted drivers received lower wages than regular drivers and no insurance benefits.

It is illegal for a taxi company to allow a person who isn�t hired as a regular driver to operate a taxi




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On New Year�s Eve, the National Assembly passed a bill designating taxis as public transportation.

It generated concerns as it has to provide an additional 1.9 trillion won ($1.78 billion) in funding for the industry. Many considered it unreasonable to include taxis as public transportation as no country in the world has a similar designation.

There are also concerns that the taxi law will only help taxi companies rather than individual drivers.

Transportation analysts say that running taxi companies more transparently should happen before the government spends billions of won of taxpayers� money.

�If the law gets implemented, taxi companies might try to receive larger subsidies by illegal means, like hiring more subcontracted drivers,� an official of the Seoul Metropolitan Government said.?

The Ministry of Land, Transport and Maritime Affairs said there are about 22,000 taxis owned by companies in Seoul, and about 5,000, or 23 percent, of them are operated by subcontracted drivers.

It estimated that tens of thousands of such illegal taxis are operating nationwide.




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The average wage for Seoul taxi drivers in 2010 was 1.01 million won a month.

�Some companies reported that they paid more than 2 million won a month to a driver while others said they paid 250,000 won,� Jeon Doo-hyeon, an official from the National Health Insurance Service said.

�We couldn�t believe any of those reports.�



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There are reasons that those subcontracted drivers never disappear. Companies can save more money that they need to spend for regular drivers including wages and insurance fees.

Drivers do not have to go through a background check including criminal history checks and they can work like private taxis if they pay a certain amount of money to a company every day.

According to the taxi industry, most taxi companies in the country demand taxi drivers, both regular and subcontracted drivers, pay a certain amount of their earnings every day. The average price in Seoul is about 105,000 won.

�With subcontractors, they [a taxi company] make more than 2.5 million won in revenue per taxi per month,� a source in the taxi industry said.

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saram_



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There was a little nugget on the news last night about this very issue..

Well that's if -- taxi drivers not stopping for perspective passengers is the issue here. This is nothing about foreigners or drunk people but I am sure if a taxi driver sees a drunk guy or group on the street he will be reluctant to pick them up. That's a separate issue..

Anyway, the main point was that the government is demanding that taxi drivers be more accommodating regarding picking passengers up. Too often they breeze by looking for a fare that suits their palette.
It showed many examples of joe soaps going mad with taxi drivers.. Kicking the car, raising the fist, venting frustration, shouting etc that you see more n more of.

They even showed some law enforcement people with batons trying to get the taxi drivers to stop for passengers. The taxi drivers weren't having any if it though.
This whole strike thing recently with buses etc- was because the government was trying to make taxis more in line with normal public transportation
(partially funded by government) thus giving taxi drivers less excuses to ignore stranded travellers. Taxi drivers are very unpopular at the moment because of what is seen as blatant refusal to pick up customers at various points and times.

The situation is bound to improve with the bad press taxi driers are getting!
I guess they will be given more benefits for that too though.. Whether by government or fare increase.
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Moondoggy



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 12:22 am    Post subject: Re: 'Foreigner only' taxis passing me by to pick up Koreans! Reply with quote

Scorpion wrote:
Are those Orange taxis in Seoul still only for foreigners? Last Friday night I was standing in Itaewon waiting for a taxi. It's often difficult enough because 'taxi stealing' seems to be the national sport here. On top of that taxis will frequently pass you by to pick up Koreans. And the Koreans show no shame in jumping into a taxi that just passed you by and which, by all reasoning, was yours. Now those orange taxis are doing it. Last Friday three different 'foreigner only' taxis passed by me and stopped for Koreans. On the third occasion I simply ran back and claimed it from the people climbing into it. Now, I'm not a big fan of the 'foreigner taxi' thing (for different reasons) and I can understand the drivers wanting to pick up Korean customers too. They need to make money. But driving a 'foreigner taxi' then passing foreigners by to pick up Koreans is just f@&ked up.

Anyone experience this?


So you feel privileged? No?
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nate1983



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ave, L�cifer wrote:
and they have to go the interchange in 교대 which is fair enough but not at 2AM


FYI, 교대 means "shift change," they aren't going to the University of Education. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that would be quite the coincidence.
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Ave, L�cifer



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

haha makes sense but the point still stands, it's just one of the excuses they start bringing up from 2AM
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 4:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Taxi drivers here are taking the piss simply because they aren't being punished or prevented from carrying out their shenanigans. There needs to be some form of controlled taxi system, like you see in Thailand or the Phils - where the driver's details are recorded before you get in.
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Died By Bear



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 5:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cj1976 wrote:
Taxi drivers here are taking the piss simply because they aren't being punished or prevented from carrying out their shenanigans. There needs to be some form of controlled taxi system, like you see in Thailand or the Phils - where the driver's details are recorded before you get in.



Aint nobody got time for that!
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 5:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Died By Bear wrote:
cj1976 wrote:
Taxi drivers here are taking the piss simply because they aren't being punished or prevented from carrying out their shenanigans. There needs to be some form of controlled taxi system, like you see in Thailand or the Phils - where the driver's details are recorded before you get in.



Aint nobody got time for that!


WTF was that? Very Happy It made me laugh anyway. Getting a taxi here is far more difficult than it should be. Something needs to be done about it.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 6:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cj1976 wrote:
Died By Bear wrote:
cj1976 wrote:
Taxi drivers here are taking the piss simply because they aren't being punished or prevented from carrying out their shenanigans. There needs to be some form of controlled taxi system, like you see in Thailand or the Phils - where the driver's details are recorded before you get in.



Aint nobody got time for that!


WTF was that? Very Happy It made me laugh anyway. Getting a taxi here is far more difficult than it should be. Something needs to be done about it.



It's popular with the kids these days (In America) Razz
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orosee



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cj1976 wrote:
Taxi drivers here are taking the piss simply because they aren't being punished or prevented from carrying out their shenanigans. There needs to be some form of controlled taxi system, like you see in Thailand or the Phils - where the driver's details are recorded before you get in.


In Thailand that only happens at the airport, and it'll cost you $1.50 which is in most cases an extra 8% of the fare. Still the bad drivers either ignore the slip or try to get it from you before starting the ride... and good luck getting the first few taxi drivers use the meter at certain times of the night in certain areas of town, or on January first... I see the main advantage in the temperature difference while you're waiting for the cabbie who'll let you ride with him.
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cj1976



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

orosee wrote:
cj1976 wrote:
Taxi drivers here are taking the piss simply because they aren't being punished or prevented from carrying out their shenanigans. There needs to be some form of controlled taxi system, like you see in Thailand or the Phils - where the driver's details are recorded before you get in.


In Thailand that only happens at the airport, and it'll cost you $1.50 which is in most cases an extra 8% of the fare. Still the bad drivers either ignore the slip or try to get it from you before starting the ride... and good luck getting the first few taxi drivers use the meter at certain times of the night in certain areas of town, or on January first... I see the main advantage in the temperature difference while you're waiting for the cabbie who'll let you ride with him.


They do it in certain areas of downtown Bangkok too, usually the big shopping mall areas. Same in Cebu. Basically just taxi ranks with a steward taking records. Better than nothing I guess. Some of the taxi drivers here are starting to get a bit cheeky. I live about 5-6 min drive from Itaewon (roughly 3,000 won fare). One driver said 20,000 and I just laughed at him.
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EZE



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 2:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My first time trying to catch a taxi in Korea was this morning and it had to be among the top ten or twenty most frustrating moments of my life.

I figured getting a taxi would be as easy as in any other country, especially since it's hard to walk through arrivals in Incheon Airport without at least one or two taxi drivers offering their services when I don't need one.

I had a vasectomy this morning in Bundang and it was a done deal by around 10:30. I went outside of the hospital and saw a lot of taxis coming down the street, so I thought I was in good shape. I had a business card of my school in my hand as I was trying to get a taxi, in hopes they would understand that my destination's address was on the card, breaking through any language barrier issues. But no taxis stopped. After a while, I went to the opposite side of the street so if any drivers stopped, my destination would be in the same direction they were already going, making it more convenient than a trip requiring a u-turn. After about the 25th or 30th taxi ignored me, I hobbled back across the street to the hospital and asked the urology clinic if they could call a taxi for me, which they did.

I can't believe it was so hard to get a taxi when I saw only one with a passenger. Although I was in no danger of being late for work since my first class was at 2, the local anesthesia had already worn off, which made each passing taxi much more disappointing than it would have been under normal circumstances.
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