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Scorpion
Joined: 15 Apr 2012
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Noone is advocating sneezing into your hand. Health professionals (and common sense) strongly advise that, when near other people, we should block our cough / sneeze. The best way is to sneeze into the curve of your arm, or into a tissue. If you must sneeze into your hand you should wash it immediately.
But to pretend that blocking your cough when near others is useless is just stupid.
Fully 100% of health professionals disagree with you.
You are simply wrong. |
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dairyairy
Joined: 17 May 2012
Location: South Korea
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| The H1N1 virus is not what they're looking for, at the airport, anyway, but from the article it appears to be spreading. Hopefully they won't have teachers outside schools testing students again. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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So if you cough/sneeze... and spittle and stuff gets projected - would not anything that slows/stops said projection be a good thing?
Whether it's a hand, sleeve, tissue, or jacket - it seems to me that it's the better thing to do. |
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Scorpion
Joined: 15 Apr 2012
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| Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 11:35 pm Post subject: |
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Anything that prevents you from sneezing over another person is good. It's certainly better to sneeze into your hand than on the person standing next to you. But since we use our hands to touch countless things it can help spread germs. Better a cough into the curve of our arm. But again, anything is better than coughing or sneezing on or near other people. When we sneeze thousands of tiny water droplets are expelled from our mouths. If you've got the flu, or any communicable illness, you have an obligation to cover your mouth. To not do so borders on an anti-social act.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhlYCHjkRg8 |
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wishfullthinkng
Joined: 05 Mar 2010
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| Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 11:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
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| Covering your mouth isn't some magic illness prevention technique. While its polite and beats getting coughed on, it really isn't doing anything. It's like wearing a surgical mask while walking around town sick- It's mostly for show. |
Utter nonsense. |
So you seriously believe that your hand is some sort of antiseptic? Sounds like something from the Republican Party Institute of Science.
Is it better than just coughing in the air? Yes. But your hand is not airtight, nor does it disinfect. As I said, its mostly for show.
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| Cover your nose and mouth with a tissue when you cough or sneeze. |
Note the key word here- a tissue. Probably some sort of antiseptic wipe. That makes sense. Acting like your bare hand is the equivalent of some some Liquid Dial soap is a crock.
Unless I'm mistaken and you would care to elaborate on the airtight and disinfectant properties of the human hand. |
steel you are seriously way off the mark on this one. no one said anything about your hand being an antiseptic agent. what it does do is to help keep you from transmitting viruses via sneezes which sends airborne droplets of mouth/nose goo on everything in your general area. using your hand to block the sneeze prevents you from coating everything around you with your biological warfare.
and as for surgical masks, they are very very very effective on helping people not only stay sick but to not transmit once they are sick. do you think that surgeons wear them for fun? no, they wear them because good ones can block pathogens down to the micron level. wear a surgical mask and wear gloves, wash your hands frequently after taking off the gloves, and be cautious about touching your face and your chances of getting sick will go down significantly. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 5:28 am Post subject: |
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| wishfullthinkng wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| Scorpion wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| Covering your mouth isn't some magic illness prevention technique. While its polite and beats getting coughed on, it really isn't doing anything. It's like wearing a surgical mask while walking around town sick- It's mostly for show. |
Utter nonsense. |
So you seriously believe that your hand is some sort of antiseptic? Sounds like something from the Republican Party Institute of Science.
Is it better than just coughing in the air? Yes. But your hand is not airtight, nor does it disinfect. As I said, its mostly for show.
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| Cover your nose and mouth with a tissue when you cough or sneeze. |
Note the key word here- a tissue. Probably some sort of antiseptic wipe. That makes sense. Acting like your bare hand is the equivalent of some some Liquid Dial soap is a crock.
Unless I'm mistaken and you would care to elaborate on the airtight and disinfectant properties of the human hand. |
steel you are seriously way off the mark on this one. no one said anything about your hand being an antiseptic agent. what it does do is to help keep you from transmitting viruses via sneezes which sends airborne droplets of mouth/nose goo on everything in your general area. using your hand to block the sneeze prevents you from coating everything around you with your biological warfare.
and as for surgical masks, they are very very very effective on helping people not only stay sick but to not transmit once they are sick. do you think that surgeons wear them for fun? no, they wear them because good ones can block pathogens down to the micron level. wear a surgical mask and wear gloves, wash your hands frequently after taking off the gloves, and be cautious about touching your face and your chances of getting sick will go down significantly. |
I think you're missing my point- That is that while its polite and better to cover your mouth, don't put too much stock into it.
Anyways, everyone else IS right on this, I'm just trying to remind people that no matter what, if you're on a plane with a flu-having Koreans or Americans, there's a good chance you're going to get sick.
In retrospect, I was trolling a little with this one...but I do think "covering your mouth stops infections" is a step away from "taking a shower stops AIDs". Coughing into your hand and then touching a door handle can be 10X worse than not covering your mouth. |
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Drew345
Joined: 24 May 2005
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| Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 6:41 am Post subject: |
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I often want to suggest that a person sneezing or coughing out on others cover their face with a pillow for about two minutes.
But seriously though. Is there any polite way to ask people to please make some effort to cover their coughs, especially when on a plane? It seems to be very bad manners to ask people not to cough on you. What would Dear Abby say is the best way to tell someone to redirect their spittle as good as possible? |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:48 pm Post subject: Re: Flu crisis:Ill foreigners being tested at the airport |
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If you remember a few years ago when H1N1 flu was making the rounds there were cases of airline passengers being quarantined at the airports. Well, it's happening again as many countries are experiencing record influenza outbreaks. If you do travel overseas take care of yourself, and don't be surprised when you are tested at the airport upon your arrival in Korea.
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2013/01/116_128768.html
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Airport officials are strengthening quarantine checks on passengers on international flights from the United States, Japan and other countries to protect the country from a deadly flu epidemic.
Korean health authorities also reported an increasing number of influenza patients, but the virus here differs from that in other countries, they said.
Currently the one sweeping the U.S. is the H3N2 strain while the virus spreading in Korea is H1N1, the same type as that of the swine flu which swept the nation three years earlier, health officials said.
The Korea Center for Disease Control and Prevention said Sunday the number of patients who received treatment at hospitals for symptoms similar to the flu virus has increased from 2.8 per 1,000 patients three weeks ago to 3.7. Health authorities issue a warning of an epidemic when the figure reaches four per 1,000.
Experts say that the H1N1 flue is not expected to spread rapidly, as most citizens are immune to it due to past vaccinations.
Still, the government has advised pregnant women, the elderly and young children to make sure to be vaccinated against both the H3N2 and H1N1 viruses. It also emphasized patients showing symptoms to immediately visit the hospital.
It has also cautioned those traveling in and out of the countries hit by the flu epidemic.
�We are strengthening health checks on all passengers traveling by plane and ship in order to prevent the spread of the epidemic,� an agency official said.
Meanwhile, 47 states in the U.S. have reported widespread cases of influenza, which has claimed some 100 lives.
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Ill PASSENGERS are being tested not ill foreigners specifically as the article itself states. I bolded the relevant info.
Tone down the fear-mongering a bit there. |
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Chalmers
Joined: 20 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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| All the blow-hards and gas-bags on the forum really turned out for this thread. |
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Zyzyfer
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?
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| Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Chalmers wrote: |
| All the blow-hards and gas-bags on the forum really turned out for this thread. |
*wheeze* |
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newb
Joined: 27 Aug 2012
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 2:18 am Post subject: |
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| I hope my school gives me a quarantine leave like they did several years ago. I had an extra week vacation in Korea. |
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