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[Mr Lee's Monkey]

Last Thursday I traveled hours for an interview with an individual who was finding teachers for after school programs in various cities that were using the materials he provided. His first question was whether or not I was a Christian. His second was why I never had children because god wants all women on earth to have children. He then told me that I was terribly old in his opinion, and explained that if I was young he would have paid 200,000 won/mo more for my education and experience, but since I was old I would get hit with the age penalty. He paid a wage and some housing, no health care or pension. The hours were listed by the recruiter who sent me as 1-6, but when I met him they had changed to 1-9. He tacked on the 3 additional hours to cover classes in a hagwon he was getting to sponsor visas for him. Lastly, he claimed to prefer young female teachers because they would "do what he told them to do and not complain." In his words, young women were "most easily controlled". Jesus Christ. Can I get an amen?

[creeper1]

After school programs are fantastic!

I have only ever heard about these kinds of plum jobs being available in Korea.

2.2 million won salary + housing + airfare + severance and you work something like 4pm - 7pm five days a week.

These jobs are fantastic!

I may come back to claim one of these cushy jobs.

They don't exist in the rest of the TEFL world.

[World Traveler]

After school jobs only hire F visa holders these days (though there are extremely rare exceptions). Prefer females. (But if they can't get that will take an F-6 man.) Don't pay airfare. Don't pay severance if the company changes hands (sold to another/changes ownership) during the course of the year (which happens often). Hours are 11 to 6, so seven hours a day aproximately one has to be there. (Maybe this is slightly different for different people.) I heard the kids are rude as hell, are disrespectful, and difficult to control, but then again, maybe different people have different experiences. Oh, and often (and by often i mean usually) there is no housing included. The hope is the F visa married dude will already have it. Finding one's own housing as a newb in Korea: very difficult and stressful. Creeper1, your trolling is getting annoying.

[s.tickbeat]

I work at an after-school job where the director mostly hires from outside the country, pays severance and airfare, provides housing, and is totally scrupulous - pension, health insurance, decent vacation times, the works - and offers a pretty decent salary to boot (2.1 for your first-time teacher). . . I think he currently has 12 schools in the tri-city area contracted with him, and he has 4 teachers; I cover two of his schools.

Just sayin'. It's not all F-series visas and limited benefits.

[World Traveler]

Are you talking about a hagwon job? What kind of after school job is this? What are the hours?

[s.tickbeat]

Nah, not hagwon. It's after-school - you know, in a public school but after-hours. I teach from 1:20 to 6 (6 x 40-minute classes) three days a week, and from 1 to 5 twice a week. During the vacation schedule, I teach from 9:00 to 2 and 9:00 to 12:30.

[creeper1]

World Traveler. I am not trolling. You are the one who is trying to spread around mis-information. You have an agenda to talk down Korea. I simply want to put out accurate information.

[s.tickbeat]

Generally, after-school jobs cram as many classes into the time that's allowed to them, which depends on when the school closes. In my case, the building's caretaker likes to lock up at 6:00 so I have to be out by then. I once worked from 2 - 7 at another after-school job, again because the caretaker closed the school at 7.

If you're applying for after-school positions, talk to the public teachers at the school. What time do they go home? Because you can guess that you'll be going home around the same time that they do - between 4 and 7.

But, you won't even start until 1.

[John Stamos jr.]

Just want to throw in that I also work an after school job, the second one I've worked on an E2. I get housing (though I have an apartment in my name) and severance, but no health care or pension unless I sign up for it myself, then they'll pay me back half. But, I don't plan to stay in Korea that much longer so I can deal with it for now.

I've found my two after school jobs to be insanely easy. Never heard any complaints from the moms, kids are certainly more respectful than hagwon kids, I'm in charge of my classes 100%, have no boss, and can basically teach/do whatever I want. With the low hours, even if you have a bad class or something, you don't really even have to sweat it, just teach to the kids who want to learn, or let them be; go through the pages fast then let them do what they want or play some youtube videos since there's essentially no oversight, from my two experiences.

Most winter vacation hours usually change. Kind of sucks getting up so early, but I'm off at 1 pm MWF and 2 pm TTh. My CT also condensed the classes at this newly opened school so I only teach two hour long classes MWF (and one two hour advanced class TTh with two kids - so max 3 hours a day teaching). It's so damn easy, and I've said it before, but I'd never work a job outside of after school here. Not worth the hassle if you want to explore another country or have other opportunities back home, which, thankfully, I do.

[watergirl]

I think there's some confusion here it seems
I've noticed a new trend in job ads that state 'after school job' but they're really just hakwons with afternoon hours, and trying to use the appeal of the real after school jobs to get applicants.

the usual term 'after school job' refers to extra classes provided in a public school. They're usually run by a company and only have a Korean and a Foreign teacher who teach classes usually starting from 12:40 or 1 to 5:15 or 6. I've noticed another trend as well for some after school cos to ask for an !! o'clock starting time but the teacher will not actually have any classes until 1. Has anyone else noticed this?
Hopefully, they won't have the greatest response and will change because it seems that the 1 ad has been running for almost 2 weeks.
Personally, while I understand some teachers show up 5 mins before class, (not saying that I have never done that by the way) but, I think waiting around for 2 hours before and having to do, basically 7 hour shift without any chance to eat or take a break is a bit much, and isn't going to have the best results.....a happy teacher who will do a better job.
Just my two cents anyways.

[World Traveler]

[thatkidpercy]

[World Traveler]

오타, obviously. (^_^')' 40만원 more per month just for having the F visa. Which is $5,000USD per year extra. Everything else I said in the post accurate: females are preferred over males, and F visa holders are preferred over those without. (It will be much easier for them to get hired.)

[watergirl]

Hi guys

So just wondering, can you tell me where you saw that ad? Because I I'm looking for jobs now and finding Craigs list so loonng. I guess because it's free, so one employer will post an ad three times!

Yeah, about 'females preferred', that is everywhere!!.. I agree and not rightly fair.
I also do know that the 'F visa' is also everywhere. Actually, it's not so much the companies' choice as it is a requirement by the school principal I think who does not want the contractual responsibility of an employee.

And my company told me it's almost impossible to find an 'f visa' female as women are not as likely to marry korean men as the other way around. lol.

But, yeah definitely if I was a guy, I'd be annoyed about the female only preference, although my company has quite a few men working there.

[World Traveler]