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Hugo85
Joined: 27 Aug 2010
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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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PRagic wrote: |
I'm all for going through the process. But lets not get confused here. A conference paper is NOT an actual publication, unless of course everything is bundled up and sold as such. ANYONE can present at most conferences. Send your 50 bucks and your abstract and you're in. That's for the major shows at least. Great experience, to be sure, and if you're serious about what your into, then the feedback is worth it! |
I'd still list an international conference proceeding before a local journal. |
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PRagic

Joined: 24 Feb 2006
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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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Full article, yes. Abstract only, no.
And all publications should be listed on the CV |
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diver
Joined: 16 Jun 2003
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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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PRagic wrote: |
Ah,sorry there, diver. Well, sure, your university will count it. Here. that doesn't mean it's going to help you out in the long term, though.Koreans load up on local journal publications for the points, but they, too, know that in the grand scope of things those publications don't really carry much umph. |
I am not sure I said it would carry much weight. I am pretty sure I said exactly the opposite.
The point was that the learning process was valuable to me. Publishing in a lower tier journal gives you an idea of what the process is like, and what you will need in terms of a top tier journal. I thought my post was pretty clear about that. I know the publication won't mean too much outside of Korea, but going through the process was a great learning experience. And, if you can make it count in terms of a publication bonus or points towards a performance review in Korea, why not?
Anyway, I know I was not ready to go out and publish in an SSCI journal the first time out. I might NEVER be ready to do that. I was suggesting that people work their way up, and maybe find ways to benefit themselves while doing so.
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ttompatz

Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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While all the advice here has been good I would like to take a second to point out that the OP has NOT yet completed his MA.
Get some practice with trade journals, newsletters. etc.
You'll be far better prepared for formal publication later.
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diver
Joined: 16 Jun 2003
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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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ttompatz wrote: |
While all the advice here has been good I would like to take a second to point out that the OP has NOT yet completed his MA.
Get some practice with trade journals, newsletters. etc.
You'll be far better prepared for formal publication later.
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+1
This is what I was tying to say. The first thing I wrote was for The English Connection. I learned from that and went to a KCI indexed journal. That experience helped as well. Now I have to decide where I will try to publish next. Your skin will need some thickening and this is a good way to do it  |
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HapKi

Joined: 10 Dec 2004 Location: TALL BUILDING-SEOUL
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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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I agree with Diver on this.
It is better to publish somewhere than nowhere. By all means aim high with TESOL Quarterly and EFL Journal is thats what you want to do, and I really hope you get in. But get back to me in 2 years, or 3, or 5, and chances are you will be a broken empty shell of a researcher with a bunch of revise and resubmit notices and still nothing on your resume.
Publishing locally in Korean KCI journals (or KOTESOL) has several advantages-
1. it's easier than SSCI ranked, but by no means easy itself
2. it will give you confidence
3. with this confidence, along with blind reviewers' feedback, you can extend this research further, AND THEN aim for international journals if you'd like.
4. the Korean context, especially in EFL teaching and learning, is very unique. A Korean-based audience to your research is more likely to appreciate what you are doing, and like-minded researchers in Korea can be great support.
5. as Diver and I have said, the process itself is a valuable learning curve
6. from article first submission to having the journal in your hands can be 6 months. For international journals, as was said, it can be 1 1/2 years+. I for one don't have that kind of patience, nor does my university's promotions committee haha
7. Korean journals are respected by said promotions committees. At my school, domestic KCI is 100 points, international is 300.
Of course, international is better, and ivory tower academics quickly turned this thread in that direction. But since your intent is to start publishing, gain confidence, and attempt to find a home for an article you wrote, I say keep it local.
Find a journal you like with a 'navigatable' English website, try and get your hands on a hard copy of their journal to see if you like their content and it matches your own, and then go for it. Good luck! |
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PRagic

Joined: 24 Feb 2006
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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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Great advice, and I've said from the get-go that it can be an instructional experience. I also said that all publications 'count', though as others have maintained the valuation differs.
Hope I'm not the one being portrayed as an 'ivory tower' academic LOL! Quite the opposite, I worked between all of my degrees in both the public and private sectors. The committees I serve on have teeth and are where the rubber meets the road. And I always stress the value of testing and using theory in the real world. I'm a blue collar academic!
For impact factor ratings, you can access ISI Web of Knowledge via your university's system. That is the listing and ranking for ALL SCI/SSCI journals in every dicipline.
I guess one other thing to consider is that I'm not in the TESOL field or even remotely connected to anything to do with foreign languages or education. Different rules may apply. In my field, most MA students or recent grads present in different sessions at major conferences. At smaller converences, MA theses are sometimes presented and people are pretty serious about providing constructive feedback. You simply cannot do anything 'on the conference circuit' or 'network' without the Ph.D. Maybe TESOL is different because it is teaching oriented? |
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