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What makes Korea a cool place to be these days?
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wishfullthinkng



Joined: 05 Mar 2010

PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 11:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

transmogrifier wrote:
nero wrote:

Mate, you can make good friends in prison, too. Would you want to live there?


I still don't see your point. If you honestly don't think it's possible to enjoy living in Seoul, then that's your problem, not mine. As I mentioned, I suggest finding more or better friends, a better job, or get out and do things, instead of moaning about the city on the Internet.

No-one is arguing that Seoul is the best city in the world, or in Asia, or maybe even in Korea. But there are plenty of opportunities to enjoy yourself, unless you are like some of the self-professed alpha males around here' who like to talk about how they would smash any Korean who tried to take them on, but at the same time do something a true alpha man would never dream of doing - going on the Internet and moaning like a little girl about their life.


some people just get their rocks off complaining about being in a place that they choose to be, don'tcha know?
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chungbukdo



Joined: 22 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 1:47 pm    Post subject: Re: ugh Reply with quote

creeper1 wrote:
Most Koreans are not comfortable around foreigners.


I don't agree with that, maybe you are just speaking from your experience and whether Koreans seem comfortable with you, not foreigners as such.

Speak Korean and nearly everyone gets super interested in you.

Also, maybe you have an age mismatch with some people. I wouldn't expect a 50 year old to instantly be my friend back home. People in Korea my age are much more open to meeting me than a random other Korean on the street.

I agree with you about the nationalistic pride issue, but I think it mainly comes out in English conversation. In Korean, young people are more likely to let loose and complain about Korean work culture and other things that are on their mind. The whole conscious front they put up as a representative of Korea comes down when you speak in korean-- you are both now friends.
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Yaya



Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nero wrote:
transmogrifier wrote:
nero wrote:
transmogrifier wrote:
Dodge7 wrote:
PRagic wrote:
Korea (Seoul, specifically), owing to Gangnam Style, was just the front page spread for the weekend edition of the Wall Street Journal. Lot's going on and, as others have posted, Seoul is one of the 'it' places to be in Asia right now.

lol because of Gangnam Style. That's it. Otherwise, Seoul is the same bland, faceless, plain, conservative city it's always been. No one ever talked about Seoul before or gave much consideration to, and so it's something "new" to talk about.


It's only as bland as the life and friends you have made here.


Only a simpleton would believe that.


Believe what you like, mate.


Mate, you can make good friends in prison, too. Would you want to live there?


You can choose to leave Korea, NOT prison.
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PRagic



Joined: 24 Feb 2006

PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 2:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My point was merely that there is a lot going on here even compared to other major cities in this neck of the woods, and Korea in general has started to host more and more big venue events. The reference to Gangnam style was only made because that was the leader in the WSJ section.
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NQ



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I only read the first page of this thread. Pretty entertaining read between classes!

I do notice a rise in interest in Korea in films of last year. And this was obviously before Gangnam style, as these films were in production long before the release of that song. I've noticed Korean references in 21 Jump Street, CLoud Atlas, Five Year Engagement, Bourne Supremacy and now this year in Stand Up Guys.

Be that as it may, I don't think Korea is really that hugely popular. Yeah I mean you have Psy, but no one really knows about Korea. At least none of my friends or family before I came here. Maybe in a few years, Korean culture and food will become more mainstream, but not right now.

What makes Korea exciting? I have no idea. Maybe loose rules regarding alcohol since you can't get any other drugs here. But for me, there isn't a lot of things 'exciting' here. The music scene is horrible (cheesy electo house everywhere, KPOP is trash as well), the food for me ranges from good to horrible, how standing out becomes like a crazy issue etc. It was kind of exciting to be confronted with a new culture at first and explore around, but now I think that's worn off.
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Yaya



Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A great transportation system. I'm visiting my parents in the DC area and gosh, PUBLIC TRANSIT SUCKS HERE! Imagine if Seoul shut down part of a subway line on weekends for maintenance. DC has done that and keeps doing it. Imagine paying 1.80 dollars for going ONE stop on a bus. That's DC.
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hack



Joined: 24 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I left Korea 5 years ago and never thought anything about Seoul was cool compared to other large cities such as London, Paris, New York and Shanghai. Now that I live in North America, whenever I mention Seoul or Korea all that most people know about is Gangnam style or North Korea. However I still like it when I go back on business but see a completely different side of it now-that of a visitor and I still see nothing cool and wonder how I ever lived there as a Uni lecturer because my living room in my condo in Vancouver is bigger than my whole apt in Korea and I had one of the larger ones.,

Transportation in Seoul is cool? Really? with millions using it every day I found it hot, smelly and rude. I never use it when I go there now. Drinking laws are lax? Cool if you like seeing puddles of puke and soju drunks everywhere. Someone mentioned the food but I'm sure they were being sarcastic. The music? I played sax professionally when I was younger and found only 2 places in 7 years that would be termed "cool" by NA musicians. KPOP is cool? Sure-to a 14 year old.

But I still like Korea and most Koreans but to use the adjective "cool" when discussing Korea could only possibly be used by someone who hasn't seen much of the world. And that's not a knock on most EFL teachers because most are younger and haven't had an opportunity to travel a lot. Besides, cool to someone under 30 is completely different to someone over 40.
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

transmogrifier wrote:
nero wrote:

Mate, you can make good friends in prison, too. Would you want to live there?


I still don't see your point. If you honestly don't think it's possible to enjoy living in Seoul, then that's your problem, not mine. As I mentioned, I suggest finding more or better friends, a better job, or get out and do things, instead of moaning about the city on the Internet.

No-one is arguing that Seoul is the best city in the world, or in Asia, or maybe even in Korea. But there are plenty of opportunities to enjoy yourself, unless you are like some of the self-professed alpha males around here' who like to talk about how they would smash any Korean who tried to take them on, but at the same time do something a true alpha man would never dream of doing - going on the Internet and moaning like a little girl about their life.


Excellent post. I completely agree.

One's life in Korea (as in just about every other country in the world) is what you make of it.
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creeper1



Joined: 30 Jan 2007

PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hack wrote:


But I still like Korea and most Koreans


Well if that's the case I'd hate to hear you describe a place that you didn't actually like.
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tiger fancini



Joined: 21 Mar 2006
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 7:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hack wrote:

Transportation in Seoul is cool? Really? with millions using it every day I found it hot, smelly and rude.


It's cheap, frequent and reliable. And, considering the millions of people using it everyday, it's relatively clean. Compared to what I used to know in London, it's an absolute pleasure.

hack wrote:
Drinking laws are lax? Cool if you like seeing puddles of puke and soju drunks everywhere.


I'll take puddles of puke and soju drunks over getting glassed or stabbed and crack-heads any day of the week

hack wrote:
Someone mentioned the food but I'm sure they were being sarcastic.


Why? If one likes Korean food, then it certainly is a cool place to be as good, authentic Korean food is in abundance. Remember, just because you don't like Korean food doesn't mean that it is terrible.


hack wrote:
The music? I played sax professionally when I was younger and found only 2 places in 7 years that would be termed "cool" by NA musicians.


The opinion of NA musicians holds less relevance globally than the average NA might think.

hack wrote:
KPOP is cool? Sure-to a 14 year old.


I hate KPOP. But see my point about the food.

hack wrote:
Besides, cool to someone under 30 is completely different to someone over 40.


Absolutely. And cool to someone from one country is completely different to to someone from another country.
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Oreovictim



Joined: 23 Aug 2006

PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 11:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, O.P., I'm a bit curious what makes Korea cool these days, too. I was there from '06 - '11. What made it great for me hasn't changed - nice fall colors, some nearby hills to escape, central heating and air, and convenient subways. (Shanghai subways are horrible. They're narrow compared with the Seoul ones, and they close early. The ones around Zhongshan Park stop running at 10:45.)

So why did you decide to leave? I was able to put up with the architure, the narrow range of cuisines, and even the drinking culture; I got tired of being limited to teaching kids . . . that and I had way too many encounters with racist, xenophobic locals.
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PatrickGHBusan



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 2:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tiger fancini's post was dead on.
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