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World Traveler
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 Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 9:53 pm Post subject: U.S. Soldiers Held for Harassing Woman on Subway |
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http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2013/02/04/2013020400953.html
It is a big news story in Korea now.
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six U.S. soldiers played a boombox loudly, dancing and hollering. There were around 20 to 30 other passengers on the same train at the time. One of them, a 21-year-old woman identified only by her surname Jeon, approached the G.I.s and asked them to keep the noise down, but the men instead started taking photos of her.
When Jeon protested, the soldiers responded she was "cute" and "beautiful," according to witness accounts. Then the soldiers repeatedly touched Jeon's breasts, arm and wrist.
Jeon called the police, and when they realized, the soldiers tried to get off at the next stop and practically dragged Jeon out of the subway train when she attempted to block them. Two bystanders tussled with the soldiers for about 10 minutes, following them to the gate, and were able to hold on to three of them until police arrived. |
What kind of anti-American backlash (if any) can we expect from this? Do you think the soldiers who ran away will be caught? (I think yes, because of CCTV and the fact that some have been detained.) Props to the two Koreans who were able to keep three of the soldiers from getting away. Two people trying to block six soldiers (trained killers) from leaving is BRAVE. I'm surprised two people were able to subdue three people and hold on to them until the police came. 참 잘 했어요
Is the CCTV footage online? If not, it should be. Two Koreans vs. six American soldiers. Wow. I want to see this! |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 10:32 pm Post subject: Re: U.S. Soldiers Held for Harassing Woman on Subway |
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| Do you think the soldiers who ran away will be caught? |
I'm absolutely sure the others alledgedly involved will be caught. As you mentioned, there's CCTV footage. There is also the fact that the military's investigators aren't Keystone Kops.
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| Props to the two Koreans who were able to keep three of the soldiers from getting away. |
Well, it really doesn't take that many people to block a subway car door.
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| Two people trying to block six soldiers (trained killers) from leaving is BRAVE. |
Nice juvenile comment there about "trained killer". You do realize, don't you, that the majority of adult Korean males have also served in the military and are "trained killers"?
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I'm surprised two people were able to subdue three people and hold on to them until the police came. 참 잘 했어요
Is the CCTV footage online? If not, it should be. Two Koreans vs. six American soldiers. Wow. I want to see this! |
I think rokdrop or the Marmot's Hole has a link to a video. |
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World Traveler
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| Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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Did you see the picture at the link? The soldiers are in the subway station outside of the car.
My comment about trained killers is meant to be factual rather than a jab.
My father told me about how when he was in the (American) military, he was trained how to kill in close hand to hand combat. I was just pointing out that soldiers have good fighting skills. They are trained to be good fighters (and killers). (Most, however, do no end up in a situation where they need to kill someone, but they are trained to do so, nevertheless.)
I heard U.S. military training is more intense than the mandatory service all Korean males must do, but I'm not sure about that. I'm just saying, American military guys are scary dudes to fight. If I were with one other person, I wouldn't want to take on six at once. The two Korean guys were in fact brave and did the right thing (when other bystanders didn't step up to help). |
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CentralCali
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| Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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Fair enough. When I'm back in the US, the only people I hear making that comment about military are doing it in an insulting manner. By the way, I think the Korean military's basic training is probably more rigorous than the US's. I have been through the US Army's BCT but of course I haven't been through Korea's. I do know that the Korean military is required to learn some Taekwondo. The extent of hand-to-hand combat training I received was simply how to use a fixed bayonet.
Since the soldiers (assuming that they did commit an offense) will be tried by a Korean court, they cannot be punished again by the military, regardless of what so many in Korea or even America, believe is the case. And since the incident will be handled under Korean law, they will have the option to get away with paying "blood money" to make it go away. It's about time Korea follows Hong Kong's lead and makes even offering a "blood money" deal by either party a punishable offense.
I think the military will have yet another ridiculous "safety and readiness stand-down" and there won't be any real addressing of the root problems, one root problem having the curfew in the first place. To compound that problem, there will no doubt be a more restrictive curfew imposed on all the US military. Brilliant thinking, just brilliant. |
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kinship
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| Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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What makes this incident worse is the information found in another article
http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2009/04/29/2009042900294.html
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USFK Personnel Told to Behave
The U.S. Forces Korea were under weekend curfew last Saturday, when personnel were required to attend a four-hour "Stand Down for Standards" training at their camps at the instruction of commander Gen. Walter Sharp.
Sharp ordered the training early this month in efforts to curb a rise in crimes involving U.S. soldiers such as sexual assault and fistfights, chiefly in Itaewon, Seoul after a shorter weekend curfew was put into place last August. |
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newb
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| Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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Soldiers are innocent until proven guilty.  |
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overdrive2023x
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| Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Post it on Reddit. See what happens? |
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dairyairy
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| Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 12:26 am Post subject: |
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| kinship wrote: |
What makes this incident worse is the information found in another article
http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2009/04/29/2009042900294.html
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USFK Personnel Told to Behave
The U.S. Forces Korea were under weekend curfew last Saturday, when personnel were required to attend a four-hour "Stand Down for Standards" training at their camps at the instruction of commander Gen. Walter Sharp.
Sharp ordered the training early this month in efforts to curb a rise in crimes involving U.S. soldiers such as sexual assault and fistfights, chiefly in Itaewon, Seoul after a shorter weekend curfew was put into place last August. |
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That article is from 2009.Gen. Sharp retired almost 2 years ago. |
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dairyairy
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| Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 12:29 am Post subject: |
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| World Traveler wrote: |
Did you see the picture at the link? The soldiers are in the subway station outside of the car.
My comment about trained killers is meant to be factual rather than a jab.
My father told me about how when he was in the (American) military, he was trained how to kill in close hand to hand combat. I was just pointing out that soldiers have good fighting skills. They are trained to be good fighters (and killers). (Most, however, do no end up in a situation where they need to kill someone, but they are trained to do so, nevertheless.)
I heard U.S. military training is more intense than the mandatory service all Korean males must do, but I'm not sure about that. I'm just saying, American military guys are scary dudes to fight. If I were with one other person, I wouldn't want to take on six at once. The two Korean guys were in fact brave and did the right thing (when other bystanders didn't step up to help). |
You are making things up, eh? No one was "taking on" anyone in a fight on the subway. Read the articles. |
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kinship
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| Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 12:33 am Post subject: |
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| That article is from 2009.Gen. Sharp retired almost 2 years ago. |
Well according to the date at the link I was lead to believe it was more recent. I have then checked the IP address and see a 2009 year. BUT with that oversight noted, the fact that the US army troops have been told to behave still makes this incident worse. It tells us that the soldiers will not listen when it counts. |
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dairyairy
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| Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 12:41 am Post subject: |
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| kinship wrote: |
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| That article is from 2009.Gen. Sharp retired almost 2 years ago. |
Well according to the date at the link I was lead to believe it was more recent. I have then checked the IP address and see a 2009 year. BUT with that oversight noted, the fact that the US army troops have been told to behave still makes this incident worse. It tells us that the soldiers will not listen when it counts. |
Sounds like someone has an axe to grind. |
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World Traveler
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| Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 12:42 am Post subject: |
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| dairyairy wrote: |
| You are making things up, eh? |
Maybe I'm misunderstanding the world tussle wrong.
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(intr) to fight or wrestle in a vigorous way; struggle
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a vigorous fight; scuffle; struggle |
How would you describe what went down?
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| Two bystanders tussled with the soldiers for about 10 minutes, following them to the gate, and were able to hold on to three of them until police arrived. |
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kinship
Joined: 24 Jan 2013
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| Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 12:44 am Post subject: |
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| dairyairy wrote: |
| kinship wrote: |
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| That article is from 2009.Gen. Sharp retired almost 2 years ago. |
Well according to the date at the link I was lead to believe it was more recent. I have then checked the IP address and see a 2009 year. BUT with that oversight noted, the fact that the US army troops have been told to behave still makes this incident worse. It tells us that the soldiers will not listen when it counts. |
Sounds like someone has an axe to grind. |
You would be off in that assessment. It was merely a statement based upon real observation given the facts at hand. I should applaud you for trying to change what I said to what you thought I meant. |
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dairyairy
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| Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 1:01 am Post subject: |
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| Since you have been in Korea for a while and, hopefully, you've been paying attention, you'll understand why I recommend waiting until all of the facts are in before making any strong statements about things like this. The Korean media seems to love smearing foreigners with negative stories that all too often don't tell us everything about what happened. In other words, don't believe everything you read, especially about foreigners. Wait until the facts are known. |
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World Traveler
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| Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 1:11 am Post subject: |
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| That's true. Maybe what we are reading is not what actually happened. |
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