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Los Angeloser
Joined: 26 Aug 2010
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Do the people who believe that the Korea media disproportionately reports foreigner crime have any stats to back this up?
I watch Korean news everyday and try to read Korean news websites everyday, I might see a story about foreigners once or twice a week. And it's usually about 3D workers. |
I think in 2010 there were about 350 negative native Eng. teacher stories in the news, that's an avg. of one everyday. So far this year though(35 days) you might be correct? You missed a bad xenophobic "foreigner" crime story recently though. Now back to these soldiers, they should just apologize. Koreans seem to like apologies and who knows it might not work depending on how deep the bow is and how many they do. |
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newb
Joined: 27 Aug 2012
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Los Angeloser wrote: |
| highstreet wrote: |
Do the people who believe that the Korea media disproportionately reports foreigner crime have any stats to back this up?
I watch Korean news everyday and try to read Korean news websites everyday, I might see a story about foreigners once or twice a week. And it's usually about 3D workers. |
I think in 2010 there were about 350 negative native Eng. teacher stories in the news, that's an avg. of one everyday. So far this year though(35 days) you might be correct? You missed a bad xenophobic "foreigner" crime story recently though. Now back to these soldiers, they should just apologize. Koreans seem to like apologies and who knows it might not work depending on how deep the bow is and how many they do. |
Crimes mostly committed by "Kyo-pos." Crimes including: fake documents, drugs, gang affliation, etc.
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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| John Stamos jr. wrote: |
| This article is untrue since it says the perpetrators were playing a "boombox" and those didn't make it out of the 90s. |
I mudt salute your detective skills.
Seriously...a boombox? Who was with them?Radio Rahim? What were they playing? A mixtape by the live rapper Tupac? Did a tangled cassette foil their escape?
Did the suspects description include a flattop haircut, an LA Rams Starter jacket and Reebok Pump hitops? Were tgey chewing doublemint gum and drinking Crystal Pepsi? |
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highstreet
Joined: 13 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 12:23 am Post subject: |
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| Los Angeloser wrote: |
| highstreet wrote: |
Do the people who believe that the Korea media disproportionately reports foreigner crime have any stats to back this up?
I watch Korean news everyday and try to read Korean news websites everyday, I might see a story about foreigners once or twice a week. And it's usually about 3D workers. |
I think in 2010 there were about 350 negative native Eng. teacher stories in the news, that's an avg. of one everyday. So far this year though(35 days) you might be correct? You missed a bad xenophobic "foreigner" crime story recently though. Now back to these soldiers, they should just apologize. Koreans seem to like apologies and who knows it might not work depending on how deep the bow is and how many they do. |
But those aren't foreigner crime articles. And the stories I mentioned all happened last year iirc.
I'm just wondering what the articles are disproportionate to and what they are compared against. Foreigner population? Number of articles about Koreans compared to foreigners? |
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ewlandon
Joined: 30 Jan 2011
Location: teacher
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 3:08 am Post subject: |
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| THEY shouldn't be allowed off base without a uniform, they need to be responsible for their actions. Bunch of trouble makers grabben women on the trains. |
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Dodge7
Joined: 21 Oct 2011
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 3:14 am Post subject: |
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| ewlandon wrote: |
| THEY shouldn't be allowed off base without a uniform, they need to be responsible for their actions. Bunch of trouble makers grabben women on the trains. |
That's a good point. Make them wear uniforms at all times. |
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diver
Joined: 16 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 4:16 am Post subject: |
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| Dodge7 wrote: |
| ewlandon wrote: |
| THEY shouldn't be allowed off base without a uniform, they need to be responsible for their actions. Bunch of trouble makers grabben women on the trains. |
That's a good point. Make them wear uniforms at all times. |
What should the English teachers wear? A bright yellow Gogo pinned to their chests, maybe?
Despite the fact that most of the people I deal with in my line of work are fine, 99% of the ones that do cause trouble are English teachers (there's one Russian dude that is not a GI OR an English teacher that denied English teachers a perfect score in the jackassery department). I have never, not even once, had trouble with military members (socially or professionally). I've never had military members show up late, obviously hungover, still drunk, treat me with disrespect, disobey instructions, or cause trouble for other divers. Sadly, English teachers have done all of these things.
Some of you show up in Itaewon, and see a bunch of GIs and think "This is going to suck". Fair enough, I guess. In my experience, when I look at a dive roster that is comprised entirely of military members I think to myself, "Woohoo! I am getting out of here early today."
As I said, it is rare that I have trouble with divers, but if I do - they will be English teachers. This is not an observation unique to me, by the way.
If we're going to point fingers, I think there is enough blame to go around for both groups.
As far as the incident on the train - if they are guilty, then they should get what is coming to them. However, I can't help remember this incident (I was here at the time) and this is why I will wait for the rest of the facts to come out. http://populargusts.blogspot.kr/2007/12/1995-subway-incident.html
Highstreet, you were asking about the number of articles on foreign crime. That's a good question. Maybe someone should do an analysis of that (I don't think it's been done - not properly anyway). I think what people might be complaining about has more to do with the content/quality of the articles dealing with foreigners than the actual quantity of reports. The 1995 subway example is a good one - the Korean press reported that a GI touched a Korean woman's ass on the subway. They did NOT mention that the woman was his wife. They often write stories about "foreign crime" without revealing that the crime stats for foreigners are less than that of Koreans, for example. An American GI received peacetime's highest award for bravery in Daegu in 1995 for running into burning building and saving lives following the Daegu subway gas explosion. I remember that being covered in the US press (Stars and Stripes) but it received very little, if any, coverage in the Korea press. |
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Dodge7
Joined: 21 Oct 2011
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 4:45 am Post subject: |
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| diver wrote: |
| Dodge7 wrote: |
| ewlandon wrote: |
| THEY shouldn't be allowed off base without a uniform, they need to be responsible for their actions. Bunch of trouble makers grabben women on the trains. |
That's a good point. Make them wear uniforms at all times. |
What should the English teachers wear? A bright yellow Gogo pinned to their chests, maybe?
Despite the fact that most of the people I deal with in my line of work are fine, 99% of the ones that do cause trouble are English teachers (there's one Russian dude that is not a GI OR an English teacher that denied English teachers a perfect score in the jackassery department). I have never, not even once, had trouble with military members (socially or professionally). I've never had military members show up late, obviously hungover, still drunk, treat me with disrespect, disobey instructions, or cause trouble for other divers. Sadly, English teachers have done all of these things.
Some of you show up in Itaewon, and see a bunch of GIs and think "This is going to suck". Fair enough, I guess. In my experience, when I look at a dive roster that is comprised entirely of military members I think to myself, "Woohoo! I am getting out of here early today."
As I said, it is rare that I have trouble with divers, but if I do - they will be English teachers. This is not an observation unique to me, by the way.
If we're going to point fingers, I think there is enough blame to go around for both groups.
As far as the incident on the train - if they are guilty, then they should get what is coming to them. However, I can't help remember this incident (I was here at the time) and this is why I will wait for the rest of the facts to come out. http://populargusts.blogspot.kr/2007/12/1995-subway-incident.html
Highstreet, you were asking about the number of articles on foreign crime. That's a good question. Maybe someone should do an analysis of that (I don't think it's been done - not properly anyway). I think what people might be complaining about has more to do with the content/quality of the articles dealing with foreigners than the actual quantity of reports. The 1995 subway example is a good one - the Korean press reported that a GI touched a Korean woman's ass on the subway. They did NOT mention that the woman was his wife. They often write stories about "foreign crime" without revealing that the crime stats for foreigners are less than that of Koreans, for example. An American GI received peacetime's highest award for bravery in Daegu in 1995 for running into burning building and saving lives following the Daegu subway gas explosion. I remember that being covered in the US press (Stars and Stripes) but it received very little, if any, coverage in the Korea press. |
Army personnel should wear Army attire and teachers wear teachers attire. What's so hard about that? Besides I think Army men should set a better example of their military and dressing the part would go a long way in doing that. And not to mention it would made them more easily identified if need be for any reason--emergency and non-emergency cases alike. |
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Los Angeloser
Joined: 26 Aug 2010
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 5:36 am Post subject: |
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| diver wrote: |
What should the English teachers wear? A bright yellow Gogo pinned to their chests, maybe?
Despite the fact that most of the people I deal with in my line of work are fine, 99% of the ones that do cause trouble are English teachers (there's one Russian dude that is not a GI OR an English teacher that denied English teachers a perfect score in the jackassery department). I have never, not even once, had trouble with military members (socially or professionally). I've never had military members show up late, obviously hungover, still drunk, treat me with disrespect, disobey instructions, or cause trouble for other divers. Sadly, English teachers have done all of these things.
Some of you show up in Itaewon, and see a bunch of GIs and think "This is going to suck". Fair enough, I guess. In my experience, when I look at a dive roster that is comprised entirely of military members I think to myself, "Woohoo! I am getting out of here early today."
As I said, it is rare that I have trouble with divers, but if I do - they will be English teachers. This is not an observation unique to me, by the way.
If we're going to point fingers, I think there is enough blame to go around for both groups.
Highstreet, you were asking about the number of articles on foreign crime. That's a good question. Maybe someone should do an analysis of that (I don't think it's been done - not properly anyway). |
What are "Divers"? Are you a diver? We're on an Eng. teacher website talking about American GI's.
I don't understand your Russian GI comparison, are there Russian GI's on the ROK? Why do you think American GI's act better than English teachers? Are they less educated, younger, so therefore act properly? Do you want to compare GI crimes on the ROK to English teachers?
You must not have any idea about a "proper analysis" but I have reason to believe you should since you provided a link.
Are we to believe that just because YOU...
"I have never, not even once, had trouble with military members (socially or professionally). I've never had military members show up late, obviously hungover, still drunk, treat me with disrespect, disobey instructions, or cause trouble for other divers. Sadly, English teachers have done all of these things."
...haven't ever had "trouble" that there ain't any "trouble"? You're not very convincing. But please tell us more about all the Eng. teachers that have done all those things. 
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 5:37 am Post subject: |
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Dodge, So now we have to wear a uniform for every job? Seriously??
Asinine.
LAer, yes, he's a diver. And yes, he was comparing the two groups as he sees them - clients. I think that's as fair an annecdotal observation as any.
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dairyairy
Joined: 17 May 2012
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 5:38 am Post subject: |
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| Army personnel should wear Army attire and teachers wear teachers attire. What's so hard about that? |
What exactly is "teacher's attire" in South Korea? A Hines Ward Steelers jersey? A t-shirt and jeans? A backpack with a Canadian flag? A Tiger Williams jersey? C'mon, you gotta give us a clue. |
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newb
Joined: 27 Aug 2012
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 5:59 am Post subject: |
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Lets see...should the GI's wear class B, A, or dess blue uniform?
How about BDU's (battle dress uniform)?
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Dodge7
Joined: 21 Oct 2011
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 7:04 am Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
Dodge, So now we have to wear a uniform for every job? Seriously??
Asinine.
LAer, yes, he's a diver. And yes, he was comparing the two groups as he sees them - clients. I think that's as fair an annecdotal observation as any. |
I'm sure the Army has casual wear that set them apart from civilians that they all wear. They don't have to dress according to their MOS.
Teacher attire is business casual or you can dress down a little if you plan on going out. |
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Dodge7
Joined: 21 Oct 2011
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 7:07 am Post subject: |
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| newb wrote: |
Lets see...should the GI's wear class B, A, or dess blue uniform?
How about BDU's (battle dress uniform)?
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They should all have to wear red coats when out and about in Korea off base (yeah I know they're not British, but it would be funny nonetheless). |
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lithium
Joined: 18 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 12:40 pm Post subject: |
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Fair enough. When I'm back in the US, the only people I hear making that comment about military are doing it in an insulting manner. By the way, I think the Korean military's basic training is probably more rigorous than the US's. I have been through the US Army's BCT but of course I haven't been through Korea's. I do know that the Korean military is required to learn some Taekwondo. The extent of hand-to-hand combat training I received was simply how to use a fixed bayonet.
Since the soldiers (assuming that they did commit an offense) will be tried by a Korean court, they cannot be punished again by the military, regardless of what so many in Korea or even America, believe is the case. And since the incident will be handled under Korean law, they will have the option to get away with paying "blood money" to make it go away. It's about time Korea follows Hong Kong's lead and makes even offering a "blood money" deal by either party a punishable offense.
I think the military will have yet another ridiculous "safety and readiness stand-down" and there won't be any real addressing of the root problems, one root problem having the curfew in the first place. To compound that problem, there will no doubt be a more restrictive curfew imposed on all the US military. Brilliant thinking, just brilliant. |
All military personnel are subject to the UCMJ and can certainly be held accountable. |
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