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Steelrails
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| yes I understand 1939. Actually what they were saying was that because of The Somme and VErdun nations would never ever put giant armies in the field again and that the world had learned its lessons after the slaughter of World War one. War had become so horribe that it was impossible that another like WWl would ever be fought again. |
Contrary to popular opinion, that idea didn't hold much water outside of a few naive politicians journalists, and a naive public.
It was pretty clear that by 1934 the world was well on its way to war. You didn't have the massive interdependency and economic links to the degree that we have it today.The British Empire still spanned 2/3rds of the globe. Communist revolutions were spreading and you had powerful fascists states. Now, all major nations operate under the same ideology save one, China, which while not democratic, is now very much capitalist.
Who offers the great ideological challenge combined with a military threat capable of domination? Iran? North Korea? Zimbabwe? Please.
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| we should all know that the reason that Russia, china, North Korea, Japan are all increasing the size of their armed forces is just for show. |
Do you realize that even with this 'buildup', each nation save Russia is utterly unprepared to fight a global massive war? You do realize the Chinese don't have the logistical capability to invade Taiwan, much less Japan, right? What are they going to do? A million man swim?
North Korea? That 1960s Soviet-era dinosaur of a military? You do realize that SK+Japan/China/Russia would turn that military into something resembling the Iraqi Army in Desert Storm, right?
Russia invading China? Russia invading Korea? Japan? Russia didn't even go all out on Georgia, a former part of the USSR and your fantasy scenarios involve the invasion of Japan? A country that could rapidly nuclerize?
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| The constitution of the P.R.C. calls for China expand to its former borders |
The Constitution of Cuba probably calls for the 'Global Expansion of the Historical Struggle of the Proletariat', that doesn't mean Raul Castro is sending Communist legions all over the world to stir up revolutions.
You do realize that government statements are not always to be taken literally and at face value, right? Or do you believe every statement that comes out of the DPRK Ministry of Propaganda?
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| ts former borders include a large part of India, all of korea and a large part of Siberia. yeah they have some interesting maps and they really piss off their neighbors |
So China is going to throw away all of its economic advances over the past 30 years and everything it has worked for risk war with 2 declared nuclear powers and one nation under protection of a 3rd nuclear power's defense treaty, to get the most forbidding land in the world in the Himalayas, 75 million rebellious people and a massive refuge problem in Korea the Land of No Natural Resources, and Siberia?
Doesn't that seem a little, well, stupid? You do realize there is this thing called cost-benefit analysis. Risking nuclear war with India over the Himalayas? Really?
At least with Hitler he was going after things like the industrial base of the Rhineland and th major port of Danzig. The Japanese were eying the rubber and oil resources of SE Asia.
But yes, go on with your absurd fear-mongering scenarios about nuclear powers China and Russia fighting a massive war over Siberia. Whatever resources are to be gained, no one in China is dumb enough to fight a full on war in such a place.
Seriously, some people need to lay off the video games, pseudo-foreign policy analysis, Political Thriller novels, and inner fantasies involving millions of tanks and men storming across the border. Likely, these scenarios involve movie-like scenes of these tanks and millions of men all going at top speed, guns a blazing. Somehow the tanks and jeeps going 60 miles an hour can shoot perfectly, the guys with machine guns can somehow run 60 miles an hour for 3 miles and keep military order, and that this force just pops up out of nowhere and doesn't offer a juicy target. Oh and lets not forget that in this cinematic vision the fighter jets are 100 feet above the troops, going at the same 60 miles an hour, yet somehow not stalling while still looking fast as hell. |
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PREEST
Joined: 20 Jan 2013
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I find it ironic considering America fought for South Korea's freedom. Had China had a say in matters, the entire peninsula would be communist (What a wonderful country North Korea is...)
In saying that, if you had the constant presence of a bigger power within the parameters of your own boarders, it is understandable that you might start to resent this.
However, ditch the US for China and see how that works out...
FTR, I'm not American. |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| The Norks do have a couple of nukes ... more than makes up for other antiquated weaponry. |
But they don't have a delivery system. Nukes are worthless unless you can get them over to the enemy side. All they have are bombers and any bombers taking off, would be detected and shot down before it reaches the border. |
They do now:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/12/world/asia/north-korea-may-have-nuclear-missile-capability-us-agency-says.html?smid=tw-bna
Also, I just saw this on cnn.com:
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| it takes only three minutes for a North Korean plane to reach Seoul, and under a minute for artillery shells to hit. |
How would all the planes (North Korea has a huge airforce) be detected, tracked, and shot down in such a short amount of time? |
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javis
Joined: 28 Feb 2013
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| Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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| World Traveler wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| aussieb wrote: |
| The Norks do have a couple of nukes ... more than makes up for other antiquated weaponry. |
But they don't have a delivery system. Nukes are worthless unless you can get them over to the enemy side. All they have are bombers and any bombers taking off, would be detected and shot down before it reaches the border. |
They do now:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/12/world/asia/north-korea-may-have-nuclear-missile-capability-us-agency-says.html?smid=tw-bna
Also, I just saw this on cnn.com:
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| it takes only three minutes for a North Korean plane to reach Seoul, and under a minute for artillery shells to hit. |
How would all the planes (North Korea has a huge airforce) be detected, tracked, and shot down in such a short amount of time? |
They wouldn't just take off all at once like a swarm of bees. There are a limited number of airfields, and each has a limited capacity for planes taking off. It's like when everybody gets off the subway at a major transfer station and crowd the platform, but still have to stand in line to in up the escalator. On top of that, a plane has to be fueled up, preflighted, taxied to the runway before it can take off, and then it has to exit the airfield pattern and form up with it's wing men. Then it can finally turn south to go turn Seoul into a sea of fire.
So, if you consider all that, it's really not as simple as going three minutes south as the crow flies, and there would be plenty of time for ROK and US forces to react to a North Korean air incursion. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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| World Traveler wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| aussieb wrote: |
| The Norks do have a couple of nukes ... more than makes up for other antiquated weaponry. |
But they don't have a delivery system. Nukes are worthless unless you can get them over to the enemy side. All they have are bombers and any bombers taking off, would be detected and shot down before it reaches the border. |
They do now:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/12/world/asia/north-korea-may-have-nuclear-missile-capability-us-agency-says.html?smid=tw-bna
Also, I just saw this on cnn.com:
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| it takes only three minutes for a North Korean plane to reach Seoul, and under a minute for artillery shells to hit. |
How would all the planes (North Korea has a huge airforce) be detected, tracked, and shot down in such a short amount of time? |
Get Robert Downey Jr. back here pronto. Ironman could handle it. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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| javis wrote: |
| World Traveler wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| aussieb wrote: |
| The Norks do have a couple of nukes ... more than makes up for other antiquated weaponry. |
But they don't have a delivery system. Nukes are worthless unless you can get them over to the enemy side. All they have are bombers and any bombers taking off, would be detected and shot down before it reaches the border. |
They do now:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/12/world/asia/north-korea-may-have-nuclear-missile-capability-us-agency-says.html?smid=tw-bna
Also, I just saw this on cnn.com:
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| it takes only three minutes for a North Korean plane to reach Seoul, and under a minute for artillery shells to hit. |
How would all the planes (North Korea has a huge airforce) be detected, tracked, and shot down in such a short amount of time? |
They wouldn't just take off all at once like a swarm of bees. There are a limited number of airfields, and each has a limited capacity for planes taking off. It's like when everybody gets off the subway at a major transfer station and crowd the platform, but still have to stand in line to in up the escalator. On top of that, a plane has to be fueled up, preflighted, taxied to the runway before it can take off, and then it has to exit the airfield pattern and form up with it's wing men. Then it can finally turn south to go turn Seoul into a sea of fire.
So, if you consider all that, it's really not as simple as going three minutes south as the crow flies, and there would be plenty of time for ROK and US forces to react to a North Korean air incursion. |
Lol. Can you imagine if the Dave's crowd was in charge of the CBO of WWII?
"As soon as you take off, head over to Berlin. Don't wait for the rest of the group to take off and get in formation. Just head over yourself. A steady stream of one aircraft after another will overwhelm the German air defenses and is the best counter to the Luftwaffe."
Don't they realize that there aren't 2,500 jets sitting around on 2 minute standby ready to blast off at a moments notice? Do they realize how taxing that is on man and machine?
Not to mention that at least 1/3rd of those planes might not even be able to carry missiles...
You do realize that that also means those airfields are only 3 minutes away from getting hit by ROK/US aircraft. Who do you give the edge to in penetration and striking? Who do you give the edge to in having advance warning about hostile aircraft and intelligence showing military preparations, NKorea, which has no spy satellite capability, or the US?
Again, the Dave's "One Way Road" of military analysis. Like somehow the Norks will operate with impunity while everyone just stands around and pathetically tries to defend themselves.
Go back and re-read the article. They don't have the capability. They have the theory about how to build it, but lack the developments in all aspects of nuclear ballistic technology and development to carry it out. China has the knowhow to send a man to the moon. Doesn't mean its about to happen or that they have the thing built.
It's like having the blueprints without the machinery to fabricate what is necessary or the knowledge to deal with any problems along the way. |
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World Traveler
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