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[12ax7]

[madoka]

[Noliving]

[comm]

Add 2 more to the "death by firearm" count for the U.S.
I'm guessing it was a defense rifle with a 30 round magazine, but the report doesn't specify.

[nicwr2002]

[Captain Corea]

But guns are a fairly efficient means, no? I mean, if they weren't designed to kill/hurt people, why do they give them to the military and police?

If there's more effective means, then perhaps we need to equip them better.

[madoka]

[madoka]

Regulate this Feinstein you gun-grabbing witch!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAW72Y_XPF4&feature=player_embedded#!

Won't be long before people will be able to make guns at home.

[Weigookin74]

[Weigookin74]

[wintermute]

I think the appropriate response to massacres and terrorist attacks to do precisely nothing - in the short term.

1. Making decisions and taking action in a state of high emotional arousal leads to poor results. The media whips up a frenzy, the politicians feel pressured, and this compromises the normal functioning and decision making of government. There may very well be changes that can be made to improve the situation, but what is the rush? A massacre is no more likely now, than it was before the incident. We're not talking about an IMMINENT attack. It's tragic, but it's over. Let the dust settle, then have a rational examination of what kind of society the citizens want.

Example: Patriot Act. Prepared in advance, but opportunistically forced into law without it even being read, much less debated.

2. Knee jerk responses are predictable, which makes the government vulnerable to manipulation and incentivizes massacres or attacks as a means to an end. Refraining from hot headed action removes the predictability, and therefore reduces the likelihood that a massacre or attack will be considered as the means to some end.

Example: I own a large security company. We make new full body scanners. I have a warehouse full of them. If I don't sell them, I'll lose billions. Now, if I pay a junkie $1000 to get on a plane with a lighter and some flammable underwear, and tell him to try and set his balls on fire during the flight, that will cause airports to upgrade security and give me a multi billion dollar contract. Is that wrong? To me, that's just good business. All it cost was $1000 for me, a dose of rads or a finger up the bum for everyone else, and I made billions. And I'm not even a psychopath. Imagine what I could do if I wasn't squeamish about breaking a few eggs. The sky's the limit!

3. It's tragic for those involved, but we must not lose perspective or we risk compounding the situation by playing into the hands of the perpetrators. TRAGEDIES HAPPEN ALL THE TIME, and they have and will for ALL TIME. They are a part of our experience of this life. We should mourn them, but skip the opportunistic exploitation. Once we're done mourning, we can get back to the business of running the country in a rational manner.

I'm all for discussing REALISTIC options to reduce avoidable tragedies.

Will banning assault weapons/all guns be feasible and significantly and measurable effective? No (only law abiding citizens will be less likely to massacre), and no (we cannot predict, compare or measure these kinds of random outbreaks of lunacy).

I know it seems cold, but really, to do proper justice to the idea that the government is for the benefit of ALL citizens, we need to look at the numbers. Has the number of people killed massacres or terrorist attacks started to overtake vehicle accident deaths? No? No need to do anything drastic, then. Let's just go about our business.