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cobradiner
Joined: 14 Oct 2010
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Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 4:20 am Post subject: Where to work after Korea? |
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Hello, I'm looking for any guidance and information based on others' experiences on where I should work after my 3rd year in Korea. Also, I don't mind teaching, but is there any other line of work possible with a liberal arts degree abroad? After my 3rd year here I will hopefully have a high score on the intermediate TOEIK test, so I wonder if I could put that to any use somewhere else. It's been a good 3 years here in Korea, but my time to move on has certainly passed quite a while ago.
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Personal Pros of Living in Korea:
-study of the language (so difficult yet challenging at the same time)
-the food
-the night life
-the international community and language exchanges in Seoul (perhaps you can find this at every major world city)
The Cons:
-I find Koreans too awkward for my taste. Even when I speak their language, they are not fond of small talk and sometimes would rather spend the next 10-40 minutes in silence with me than talk. I love my students who will talk about anything forever, but they tend to keep to themselves after they become adults.
-I feel like I'm excluded from a lot of the culture. Yes, I can go almost anywhere here, yet its difficult to make friends on the street. Even when you speak Korean, I feel like I'm a trained monkey because Korean tends to be a exclusive language only Koreans like to use with one another, and they are completely suprised by foriegners learning it.
-Many Koreans who have studied some amount of English tend to want you to only use English with them. For example, my boss knows maybe a couple hundred English words, yet has no concept of English grammar. Despite my Korean being better than her English, she would rather me only speak English to her and not translate for her.
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Overall, the study of Korean has been worth it, yet it's been hard to use it outside of utility purposes. I find it hard to socialize with Koreans, so I'm looking for a country where study of the language seems to be more encouraged while the culture and people seem to invite you more to participate in their culture. Unfortunately, work and being able to pay back student loans are another factor too. I'm considering Japan, China, Italy, France, Spain, South America, Mexico, Russia, Australia (maybe Korean would come in handy there), Thailand, or anything else with good enough reasons.
For those that have been to Japan, did you find it more inviting or xenophobic in comparison to Korea? I've heard they are more polite in general, but their social circles are even harder to break into than Korea's. |
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ewlandon
Joined: 30 Jan 2011 Location: teacher
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Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 4:25 am Post subject: |
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Totally go to Australia to speak Korean, makes sense.
JK but i dont get that logic. Just pick a place and go. Or go home and find a real job and tell us how it works out for you. Or go back to school and study more Korean, and try to find a job back home that has connections to Korea and could use you as someone who knows the culture and the langauge etc.... I see potential there. |
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cobradiner
Joined: 14 Oct 2010
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Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 5:06 am Post subject: |
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I've heard Australia has a large population of Koreans there working, studying, or both, so the Korean would come in handy I think. I've wanted to visit Australia for a long time, and I could continue studying Korean there. |
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nicwr2002
Joined: 17 Aug 2011
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Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 5:15 am Post subject: g |
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If you have to pay a lot in student loans then South America is out. The exchange rate for sending money is horrible and not worth it. You might be able to do it in Japan, but you have to pay for your apartment there and cost of living is higher. To be honest, if you want to improve your Korean, just stay in Korea for another year or so. Maybe being a translator or something along those lines is what you want? If you can speak Korean well enough maybe you could live in Australia as a translator or anywhere else Korean would be in high demand. |
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postfundie

Joined: 28 May 2004
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Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 7:03 am Post subject: |
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I find Koreans too awkward for my taste. Even when I speak their language, they are not fond of small talk and sometimes would rather spend the next 10-40 minutes in silence with me than talk. I love my students who will talk about anything forever, but they tend to keep to themselves after they become adults.
-I feel like I'm excluded from a lot of the culture. Yes, I can go almost anywhere here, yet its difficult to make friends on the street. Even when you speak Korean, I feel like I'm a trained monkey because Korean tends to be a exclusive language only Koreans like to use with one another, and they are completely suprised by foriegners learning it.
-Many Koreans who have studied some amount of English tend to want you to only use English with them. For example, my boss knows maybe a couple hundred English words, yet has no concept of English grammar. Despite my Korean being better than her English, she would rather me only speak English to her and not translate for her.
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stay in Korea if you want to improve your Korean. Instead of sitting in silence with someone you think who doesn't want to talk to you, use your Korean skills to speak up about things that need to change here. It'll be good for you and good for many of them (specifically the next generation of multi-ethnic children that will be coming of age..) I'm not saying 'be an elitist", I'm just saying spread good information among the general population...there's a big need for that...combating stereotypes.. |
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BroodingSea
Joined: 21 Oct 2008 Location: North Shields
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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 8:24 am Post subject: |
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I've worked in Japan on a couple of occasions. Agreed Japan is rather expensive but if you can pick up a role paying 300,000Y a month you should be able to save something reasonable. |
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ironclad80
Joined: 13 Sep 2009
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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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BroodingSea wrote: |
I've worked in Japan on a couple of occasions. Agreed Japan is rather expensive but if you can pick up a role paying 300,000Y a month you should be able to save something reasonable. |
Other than the JET programme, finding an ESL job (outside of a University) that will pay 300,000y/month is virtually impossible. Furthermore, an eikaiwa job offered 230,000/month receives 150+ applications these days so they can cherry pick the candidate with the most qualifications. |
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cobradiner
Joined: 14 Oct 2010
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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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Ok, so its no longer possible to save money in Japan now? Does paying rent zap most of your paycheck every month? We're making about $2000 or more a month here in Korea and after taxes and insurance and utlity fees it comes to about $1600 or so. Can you even break $1000 per month in Japan after all rent and fees are paid for? Not to mention that $400 of that $1600 has to go to loans every month, but it's gotta be possible in Japan as many people go there to pay off their loans. |
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FriendlyDaegu
Joined: 26 Aug 2012
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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 3:35 am Post subject: Re: Where to work after Korea? |
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cobradiner wrote: |
For those that have been to Japan, did you find it more inviting or xenophobic in comparison to Korea? |
I lived in both Japan and Korea for a number of years. Japan is way less xenophobic and more accepting, but also less inviting. There, I never had an awkward moment because of the way I look, which happens every day here. The awkward moments came from trying to talk to people without the 'purpose' being mutually understood. Their concept of friendship is very different from Korea or the West. I wasn't able to make a single friend outside of business and romantic relationships. Here, I get invited out pretty frequently.. dinner, drinking, camping, biking, things like that. |
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BroodingSea
Joined: 21 Oct 2008 Location: North Shields
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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 4:44 am Post subject: Japan |
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cobradiner wrote: |
Ok, so its no longer possible to save money in Japan now? Does paying rent zap most of your paycheck every month? We're making about $2000 or more a month here in Korea and after taxes and insurance and utlity fees it comes to about $1600 or so. Can you even break $1000 per month in Japan after all rent and fees are paid for? Not to mention that $400 of that $1600 has to go to loans every month, but it's gotta be possible in Japan as many people go there to pay off their loans. |
I was on around 230,000 yen per month and paid around 70,000y per month per rent. I think I managed to save around 60-70k yen per month and still have a decent social life. That was around 500 gbp per month. |
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chungbukdo
Joined: 22 Aug 2010
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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 4:24 pm Post subject: Re: Where to work after Korea? |
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cobradiner wrote: |
After my 3rd year here I will hopefully have a high score on the intermediate TOEIK test, so I wonder if I could put that to any use somewhere else. |
Since there is no such test as the TOEIK test, you probably can't put it to use anywhere.
If you mean TOEIC, which every Korean takes to prove proficiency in English, then it won't be of use to you. You are already a native English speaker.
If you meant TOPIK, which means you don't even know the name of the Korean proficiency test you are studying for, probably haven't taken the first exam, and don't have any test prep books for it, then good luck to you. lol. If you could tell me the name of that test in Korean then I might say you have a fighting chance, but otherwise you're a dreamer. |
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JustinC
Joined: 10 Mar 2012 Location: We Are The World!
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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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TOEFL or TEFL or CELTA or Trinity Cert. TEFL or MATESOL?
Eeny, meeny, miny, moe... |
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chungbukdo
Joined: 22 Aug 2010
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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 4:32 pm Post subject: Re: Where to work after Korea? |
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cobradiner wrote: |
-study of the language (so difficult yet challenging at the same time)
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Give me an idea of where you're at right now. What books are you using? What TV shows can you mostly understand.
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Even when I speak their language, they are not fond of small talk and sometimes would rather spend the next 10-40 minutes in silence with me than talk. |
Maybe because you don't speak the language as well as you think.
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I love my students who will talk about anything forever, but they tend to keep to themselves after they become adults. |
That could be any number of things, your language ability, you come off as weird to adults, etc.
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Even when you speak Korean, I feel like I'm a trained monkey because Korean tends to be a exclusive language only Koreans like to use with one another, and they are completely suprised by foriegners learning it. |
That is not my experience at all with any of my Korean friends in Seoul when you're at a level where conversation is comfortable.
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-Many Koreans who have studied some amount of English tend to want you to only use English with them. For example, my boss knows maybe a couple hundred English words, yet has no concept of English grammar. Despite my Korean being better than her English, she would rather me only speak English to her and not translate for her. |
It's probably not evident at all that your Korean is "better" than hers. Maybe you think you know more isolated vocabulary than her (you'll actually be surprised by the amount of isolated vocabulary Koreans have memorized) but your accent is so harsh on the ears that she assumes you don't know much. |
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