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[liveinkorea316]

Yes Corea the medical definition for your use of steroids is abuse. Look it up.

[Captain Corea]

/yawn

Still no studies, eh?

Ok, man. It's obvious you're blowing smoke. No problem. Blow away.



The thing is, Steroids, like any other drug or substance, DOES have an impact on your body. I'm not denying that - I'd be foolish to.

eat one can of tuna, and you're going to see ABC impact. Eat 100 cans, and the impact may be the same, 100X greater, or something different. This is depending on the substance and person ingesting it.

Tylenol, alcohol, Steroids, weed... all of these could potentially do damage to someone when taken to extremes...

But what are the odds? where are the studies and statistics? At what point does it go from "reasonably safe", to "dangerous".

Walk around most cities and you'll see people casually using/ingesting a variety of substances - coffee, colas, cigarettes, alcohol - yet they are all legal and accepted (often have limits applied to them) but have been associated with negative effects. Are they dangerous? hmmm.... sure! All have been linked in various studies to XYZ Bad Thing - but for the most part, few people bat an eye at them.

My position is that Steroids have much lower side effects than reported in the media. That the actual amount of incidents related to them are GREATLY overblown in the media, and that they can be used with very little negative side effects.

And the one and only study posted in this thread supports that.

But hey - keep on going on about conspiracy theories, drug abuse, and illegal uses if it makes ya happy - it's not doing ya any favors for your side of the discussion though.

[BankOfRC]

[liveinkorea316]

So you have completely done a 180 degree and admitted that steroids do have side effects now Corea?

Finally. When you get around to reading the research about what you put into your body you will find it was far more damaging than a can or tuna or coffee which have well known health benefits btw haha so pretty bad examples.

[Captain Corea]

Seriously, that's the best you come with?

Now you're trying to twist and turn my words - when they are here for everyone to see.

I've said before that any drug/substance you ingest can have side effects... a page ago I mentioned Tylenol.

My question, and constant head shaking, has been in regards to Roid Rage. - remember, the whole thing that started this conversation?

Let me remind you - this thread started about a murder case, someone chimed in about Roid Rage and Chris Benoit, I said it was overhyped, and you chimed in with accusations against me and my (apparent) psyche, lists of conspiracy theories, and now a bold face lie about what I've said.

Wow.

Bravo.

I've been trolled, it seems.

[Kuros]

[liveinkorea316]

The vast body of research on the side effects of steroid abuse which you now agree exist includes 'roid rage' or as it is referred to in the research 'aggression and hypomania'.

What you attribute to 'hype' has been studied for many years by universities.

You sound like someone who calls climate change 'hype' , that's why I mentioned it. You forgot there is a vast body of research which backs up the position which you do not personally agree with. So it is hardy being hyped unless you are accusing the world's best research universities of fraud in their research.

I guess you are. You know better than the world's best universities right? I should have known. You will accuse any researched results as simply 'hype'. Are you sure that's not a lingering side effect of your steroid abuse? Hypomania? Over aggression?

[Captain Corea]

You got me. I've been so very aggressive in this thread. In fact, I hate to admit it, but I've had to replace 3 keyboards because of this conversation

grrrrrrrrrrrr


/flex


grrrrrrrrrrr





Still no links, eh?

[liveinkorea316]

The vast body of research on the side effects of steroid abuse which you now agree exist includes 'roid rage' or as it is referred to in the research 'aggression and hypomania'.

If you've been using them for years as you say but never bothered to look at the dangers of what you were were abusing your body with...I have to assume you are a few cans short of a six pack.

[ewlandon]

cpt. the guy is clearly trolling you every time he posts he talks about the vast amounts of studies and posts nothing (EVERY TIME) so he is messing with you.

But the fact remains that steroid links to rage are still in question. There is research that shows both. Most studies are done with much lower levels of the drugs than what is used by athletes.

Here is a bunch of anecdotal evidence and studies that they will be using in the case of the blade runner.

http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/41842810


You should read all of the studies at the bottom as there are some that support both sides. Here is one example

[Captain Corea]

Yeah, I was reading one study that showed increased "aggression" along with higher doses. The main body of the group nudged slightly higher, but the outliers were markedly so.

What this indicated to me was that for the majority, steroids did not contribute to massive mood changes. But that for some, it is possible.

A lot of the studies focused on athletes.. rightly so - they are the ones interested in the drugs. But generally speaking, that is also the segment of society that is inclined to competition, aggression, and so on. I'm not really sure that it gives a accurate reading of those possibilities.

It's kind of like where I grew up - I knew a lot of "pot heads". These guys did as little as they could for years - always chasing that chilling time when they could smoke up, and play video games. For me, for a long time, that meant marijuana users were lazy. Then after broadening my experiences (no, not using), I realized that those ppl were just lazy asses, and that MJ may not have helped, but it didn't MAKE them lazy.

The guys I know who have "Roid Rage", were hot heads to begin with. They would walk into a club and HOPE someone would bump into them them. On the juice, they were bigger, and "looking for it" more... but was that physiological, or psychosomatic, hard to say. IMO, it was an excuse.

I knew hundreds of guys who used, and continue to use. None of them have had issues with violence... they use it as part of their sport.

As I said earlier on, I liken it to Reefer Madness, or Fan Death. Many people and the media hear STEROIDS, and the first thing that comes to mind is Lyle Alzaedo, Roid Rage, Armstrong, cheating, and death.

And I really think there's far more to it than that.

[ewlandon]

Most of what you say I agree with till you start to compare it to reefer madness and fan death.

Have you seen reefer madness? It's 100% not true. And im pretty sure fan death is also 100% not true.


The steroid thing is probably blown up by the media but its far from being 100% false.

When I hear about the drugs I think about cheating, not roid rage (although I dont doubt some of these macho types "rage out" sometimes when adding more hormones to their bodies) and health issues not death.

The other thing I think of is medicine. My father has had health issues in his life some of which has had to be dealt with by taking steroids for sinus and asthma problems. He hates the stuff and without talking about it much wihtout his permission, he has told me that the steroids effect his mood a lot.



As for sports you should watch Bigger Stronger Faster if you havent seen it. It gives a pretty fair analysis of these drugs in sports.

[Captain Corea]

Yeah, I've seen it a coupe of times... and what struck me most about that film was not the discussion on steroids, but rather the main family's issues. Those brothers seemed to be dealing with issues related to "success" - and with one later taking his life, that was unfortunately very evident.

As for Refer Madness, correct me if I'm wrong, but did it not go on about the "dangers" associated with marijuana? Paranoia, anxiety, lashing out, etc...
Now, as far as I know, the average user does not experience that sort of reaction. But that being said, I suppose it's within the possible that some small % might.

But if we travel back in time, the public was very much influenced by how BAD MJ was - and the message in the media backed that up with stories of crime, suicides, and DANGER.

And that's how I see it with steroids. Will there be a % that reacts bad to it? Sure, as with any drug. But how does the mean average respond to it, and is that fairly represented in the media?

Hope that makes sense.

[liveinkorea316]

You obviously haven't studied any scientific method at all Corea because your objections to the scientific studies on 'steroids and aggression' are actually ludicrous. The studies can find ways to see if steroids affect aggression in athletes. Just because you seem to think that they cannot....well that means you just need to read a Research Methods 101 book.

[Captain Corea]

So it's "ludicrous" to say that a certain profession or segment of the population may be inclined towards certain behavioural traits?

Yeah, troll on, man. Troll on.

Tell me - you have any actual experience with steroids?