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flash viego



Joined: 20 Jan 2013

PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 2:30 pm    Post subject: How the new certification requirements will affect market Reply with quote

I am a Newbie and plan to come over in Sept.

I asked this before, and got a few answers, but none addressing this dicectly.

With the new required in-class certifcation for public schools, I was wondeing which of these, if any would happen.

1. Most recent grads won't have the certification, thus flooding the hagwan market making it tougher for someone older like me 42) to get even a Hagwan job..
2. There will be less people with the proper certification, making it easier for someone who has the certification to get a public school job than last year.
3. No affect on the Hagwan market. Just as easy to get a Hagwan job.
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Dodge7



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

At 42 years old, You should probably go back home and focus on a retirement job and leave the Peter Pan lifestyle behind. Unless you have a family here.
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flash viego



Joined: 20 Jan 2013

PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good one.
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Lucas



Joined: 11 Sep 2012

PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I am a Newbie and plan to come over in Sept.

I asked this before, and got a few answers, but none addressing this dicectly.

With the new required in-class certifcation for public schools, I was wondeing which of these, if any would happen.

1. Most recent grads won't have the certification, thus flooding the hagwan market making it tougher for someone older like me 42) to get even a Hagwan job..
2. There will be less people with the proper certification, making it easier for someone who has the certification to get a public school job than last year.
3. No affect on the Hagwan market. Just as easy to get a Hagwan job.


Or you could get the class cert and apply for EPIK/GEPIK...

Or just get it anyway and it could prove very useful when you're standing in front of 30+ kids and told to 'teach!' Laughing Hagwon or not...

You might have 1-2-3-4-5-6 rejections because of your age, but someone, somewhere will value your qualifications and take you.

I'd say people like these are also more likely to actually honor your contract too!?
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earthquakez



Joined: 10 Nov 2010

PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dodge7 wrote:
At 42 years old, You should probably go back home and focus on a retirement job and leave the Peter Pan lifestyle behind. Unless you have a family here.


To the OP - ignore this kind of childish trolling by the likes of Dodge 7 who clearly fit the description of Peter Pans. Not much of a life going on there, is there. Really, this kind of poster is just sad. Rolling Eyes

At your age you should be snapped up by a public school or hagwon that values people who will commit themselves and stay committed during the course of their contract.

However, be aware that despite the constant xenophobic biyotching and moaning by the Korean media, Koreans in the education system, politicians, and some surprisingly ultra nationalistic young Koreans with a chip on their shoulder re young foreign English teachers who are not suited to working in Korea, there is still an over-abundance of under-experienced young North Americans who are willingly employed by Koreans instead of experienced older foreigners.

It's going to be tougher for you but don't rule out a public school. There's always this rubbish about how foreign English teachers must have this or that certificate but it's unlikely they're going to set it in stone.

Koreans involved in English education at whatever level usually don't think things through - they mess around and muddle through, and play the blame game but at the end of the day they won't get good teachers this way.

Anybody can get a certificate, not many people in Korea have the work history that some of us have with English language employment. Don't rely just on the caf's job board - there are recruiters on the web that specialise in placing teachers in public schools, you just have to use the search engine a lot.
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busanSK2012



Joined: 20 Feb 2013

PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Dodge7"]At 42 years old, You should probably go back home and focus on a retirement job and leave the Peter Pan lifestyle behind. Unless you have a family here.[/quote]

Constantly amazed at the abuse thrown at Koreans for having a small world view when the majority of posters on ESL forums seem to have brains the size of peas.

If you want to come to Korea in Sept, I suggest you satisfy whatever new requirements they want and apply. Age doesn't matter as much as experience. I can say this as I am 45 and was hired by a public school this past year. (easiest job I have every had) I was a teacher for 20 years and have a master's and such. I have a few friends that came as well. They are in 50s-60s with a law degree, owned a business, and one has lots of corporate experience.

@ 7: We are already made our cash, raised the kids, paid off the house, and we were looking for an overseas experience. two years here, then china, then japan is the plan. Why not?

as long as we are being small minded, I think the younger kids may have to worry about this trend. But truthfully, the employers like the younger ones, cause they are broke with few options! We are not as likely to be taken advantage of because we can leave more easily as we have homes to return to and not our mom's basement!
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itiswhatitis



Joined: 08 Aug 2011

PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 3:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have no reason to think that the OP necessarily has Peter Pan syndrome, but I've met many 42 year olds here who do.

OP:

Are you sure that at 42 you want to have kids notice if you gain as much as 2 KG and tell you that you are getting fat/more fat?

Teaching English in Korea is a fast food job for university grads....and for those with Peter Pan Syndrome (for the most part at least).

Peter pan .....ha ha ha ......good one!!!!
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flash viego



Joined: 20 Jan 2013

PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I actually had to look up Peter Pan complex, because I did not know what it was. As far as how it relates to me? Well, I guess I would say that in some ways I am, and will always be childlike, but not childish. If that's the label on me, then whatever, I don't really care about that. Everyone's life is different, Some people enter a career early some people enter a career late, that will that's what makes the world go around I guess.
I have had a very good career that is basically made up of mostly young people. I am considered old in what I do right now, and kind of need to find something else to do.
As a tennis teacher, I developed many skills that I feel would benefit me in any type of classroom. Obviously I have to learn a lot to teach English, especially to those who I can't really communicate with now, But I have become a master of certain things that I know will benefit me
1. I have developed extraordinary people skills. I have to be at organizer of people, especially kids, and entertainer, and a teacher that understands progressions, what's important, and what a student can understand
2. I have the ability to keep a group of kids entertained while maintaining order and control.
3. I have developed A high level of patience with people.
4. I understand how to develop a lesson plan, and how to be flexible within the guidelines of that plan
5. I love to help people, especially kids


I have never lived outside of the USA, and I always wanted to, so I could not think of a better thing for me to do.

I am not at all, even close, to thinking about going over there to party, hook up with Korean chicks, stuff like that. I am way more concerned with my job, and doing a good job than anything else. I would like to have a comfortable place to live and a few nice friends. That's about it. I think I will be happy with those things

Meanwhile, can anyone please comment on my actual question about what I was asking? I do appreciate the personal stuff. Even the Peter Pan comment makes me think about my life, which is always helpful.

I am going to try to do the Oxford seminars course which does have a 60 hour in class component, but there is a chance that I won't be able to afford it. I had a financial catastrophe a few years back.
The plan before was to do one year in Korea, then to get a Celta somewhere before returning. If it seems like it will be very tough to get even a good hagan job, then I may have to figure out a way to do the Oxford seminars course.

Btw. I wanted to go to Korea to teach English back in 1996. This was back before the Internet was really anything. I was talking with a school, and I was actually making plans to go, and then I found out that they were lying to me about the pay. I got spooked, and gave up, but Have thought about it for all this time.
Please excuse any errors in my typing, as I am doing this through my cell phone voice control
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g0t soymilk?



Joined: 19 Aug 2012

PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 7:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i too once had delusions about "teaching" and "doing a good job"

I'm 6 months into my contract and I get drunk 4 times a week just to unwind and relieve stress. Every time I walk into the classroom I feel like I'm facing the firing squad.

This is a shit job, so keep your expectations low
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flash viego



Joined: 20 Jan 2013

PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe your next job will be a better experience.
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dairyairy



Joined: 17 May 2012
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

g0t soymilk? wrote:
i too once had delusions about "teaching" and "doing a good job"

I'm 6 months into my contract and I get drunk 4 times a week just to unwind and relieve stress. Every time I walk into the classroom I feel like I'm facing the firing squad.

This is a shit job, so keep your expectations low


Hagwon or middle school?
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comm



Joined: 22 Jun 2010

PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dairyairy wrote:
g0t soymilk? wrote:
i too once had delusions about "teaching" and "doing a good job"

I'm 6 months into my contract and I get drunk 4 times a week just to unwind and relieve stress. Every time I walk into the classroom I feel like I'm facing the firing squad.

This is a shit job, so keep your expectations low

Hagwon or middle school?

Definitely either a hagwon or a vocational high school.
If you take a hagwon job, you have to realize that your #1 priority is NOT teaching English... it's satisfying your clients (the parents of your students).

In a public school you'll have 500 students and see each class only once per week for ~40 minutes. Thinking about it another way... if you were to spend all of your class time teaching students individually and divided your time between them evenly, each student would get a total of 40 minutes with you per year. So your focus there should be (in my opinion) to generate interest in English, foster conversation, and help keep them motivated to learn.

To the OP:
Don't worry about it.
I won't say it'll be easy getting a job at your age with no teaching experience, but you can do it.
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flash viego



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vocational school?
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Lucas



Joined: 11 Sep 2012

PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Vocational school?


Non academic schools, where they teach more 'vocational' skills to the children....

They still have 'educational lessons,' but generally the teachers have very low expectations for the children!

This is not to say all children the children are stupid! Some kids at vocational high schools have great English - *some* Laughing
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travelingfool



Joined: 10 Mar 2008
Location: Parents' basement

PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

flash viego wrote:
I actually had to look up Peter Pan complex, because I did not know what it was. As far as how it relates to me? Well, I guess I would say that in some ways I am, and will always be childlike, but not childish. If that's the label on me, then whatever, I don't really care about that. Everyone's life is different, Some people enter a career early some people enter a career late, that will that's what makes the world go around I guess.
I have had a very good career that is basically made up of mostly young people. I am considered old in what I do right now, and kind of need to find something else to do.
As a tennis teacher, I developed many skills that I feel would benefit me in any type of classroom. Obviously I have to learn a lot to teach English, especially to those who I can't really communicate with now, But I have become a master of certain things that I know will benefit me
1. I have developed extraordinary people skills. I have to be at organizer of people, especially kids, and entertainer, and a teacher that understands progressions, what's important, and what a student can understand
2. I have the ability to keep a group of kids entertained while maintaining order and control.
3. I have developed A high level of patience with people.
4. I understand how to develop a lesson plan, and how to be flexible within the guidelines of that plan
5. I love to help people, especially kids


I have never lived outside of the USA, and I always wanted to, so I could not think of a better thing for me to do.

I am not at all, even close, to thinking about going over there to party, hook up with Korean chicks, stuff like that. I am way more concerned with my job, and doing a good job than anything else. I would like to have a comfortable place to live and a few nice friends. That's about it. I think I will be happy with those things

Meanwhile, can anyone please comment on my actual question about what I was asking? I do appreciate the personal stuff. Even the Peter Pan comment makes me think about my life, which is always helpful.

I am going to try to do the Oxford seminars course which does have a 60 hour in class component, but there is a chance that I won't be able to afford it. I had a financial catastrophe a few years back.
The plan before was to do one year in Korea, then to get a Celta somewhere before returning. If it seems like it will be very tough to get even a good hagan job, then I may have to figure out a way to do the Oxford seminars course.

Btw. I wanted to go to Korea to teach English back in 1996. This was back before the Internet was really anything. I was talking with a school, and I was actually making plans to go, and then I found out that they were lying to me about the pay. I got spooked, and gave up, but Have thought about it for all this time.
Please excuse any errors in my typing, as I am doing this through my cell phone voice control


Best of luck Flash. It sounds like you have good motives and a good attitude. I think you will do great. Take the negativity with a grain of salt. I am a 40 year old 'Peter Pan' teacher and can't imagine doing anything else. I actually volunteer teach on my days off. How many people can say that about their work? Happy travels!
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