| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
Jodami
Joined: 08 Feb 2013
|
 Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 3:46 am Post subject: Re: EPIK...a thing of the past???? |
 |
|
| CentralCali wrote: |
Why not tell the bint to shut up? She's just spouting out her prejudices, but disguising them as "something official." Of course, there's nothing official. And who is she, anyway? She's nothing in the grand scheme of English Education in Korea. She's an elementary school teacher. Period. That has about as much influence on what's going on at the Education ministry as the rock outside my window. Dollars to donuts that if you ask her where she saw this in writing, not heard but actually saw it, she'd say, "There's a document."
Tell her to shut up next time she opens her pie-hole. |
Ouch.
Having a bad day? |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
happiness
Joined: 04 Sep 2010
|
| Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 3:46 am Post subject: Re: EPIK...a thing of the past???? |
|
|
| CentralCali wrote: |
| itiswhatitis wrote: |
| Today my co-teacher (an elementary school in Seoul) tells me that EPIK was suppose to end this year but that they are extending it for 1 more year (it will end next year instead). I asked her if she was refering to middle school and high school positions only. She tells me that the plan is for EPIK to be completely gone by next year and that this is its final year. |
Why not tell the bint to shut up? She's just spouting out her prejudices, but disguising them as "something official." Of course, there's nothing official. And who is she, anyway? She's nothing in the grand scheme of English Education in Korea. She's an elementary school teacher. Period. That has about as much influence on what's going on at the Education ministry as the rock outside my window. Dollars to donuts that if you ask her where she saw this in writing, not heard but actually saw it, she'd say, "There's a document."
Tell her to shut up next time she opens her pie-hole. |
lol, but this is true. here, ppl are a bit more liberal with..um..whatever they want to say, true or not. not until its the day do i belive it. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
|
| Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 5:28 am Post subject: Re: EPIK...a thing of the past???? |
|
|
| Jodami wrote: |
| CentralCali wrote: |
Why not tell the bint to shut up? She's just spouting out her prejudices, but disguising them as "something official." Of course, there's nothing official. And who is she, anyway? She's nothing in the grand scheme of English Education in Korea. She's an elementary school teacher. Period. That has about as much influence on what's going on at the Education ministry as the rock outside my window. Dollars to donuts that if you ask her where she saw this in writing, not heard but actually saw it, she'd say, "There's a document."
Tell her to shut up next time she opens her pie-hole. |
Ouch.
Having a bad day? |
Nope. I'm actually having one of the best days I've had in ages. I just don't like ignorant, low-level flunkies spouting nonsense. Let's face it. That's what she is. Just like happiness, I'm not going to believe it until I see something official.
Last edited by CentralCali on Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:59 am; edited 2 times in total |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
|
| Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 5:29 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Dodge7 wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
Indeed that F6 offers you more freedom to find work.
You know...you sound more and more like a lifer.... |
Maybe in terms of disgruntlement. But I'm out of here in ten years after we've saved enough $$$. My wife co-signed to this idea which is one of the reason I married her. If she wouldn't leave Korea, I would have left her. |
I sure that is very comforting to her.
Good lord man, you do go overboard with your declarations sometimes.
Still, It is good to have a plan and to work towards a goal. Helps stay focused.
I do wonder how you will last 10 years being so disgruntled. Also your child will have to enter school in Korea at some point if you stay 10 years longer. All those decisions will be interesting and challenging. Also, be ready for a shock when you guys move to the US. Having lived through it (moving to Canada) I can tell you it is not all roses and candy!
Take care dodgeman |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
|
| Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 6:05 am Post subject: |
|
|
Speaking of "document":
A Document!
(sung to the tune of Going to the Chapel)
Chorus:
Getting a document, a document later today!
Getting a document, a document later today!
Gee, I can hardly wait; we're getting a document!
Getting an h-w-p file!
"Spring" is here,
I am here,
The room is cold.
The kids outside laugh as if they knew.
Today I'll get "the document"
and I'll never be freezing anymore.
Chorus:
Getting a document, a document later today!
Getting a document, a document later today!
Gee, I can hardly wait; I'm getting a document!
Getting an h-w-p file!
Bells will ring,
the sun will shine.
Whoa, there's no students, no heat here.
I'll deskwarm straight through the winter.
and I'll never be freezing anymore.
Getting a document, a document later today!
Getting a document, a document later today!
Gee, I can hardly wait; we're getting a document!
Getting an h-w-p file!
(Backup singers only:) Yes-uh, Yes-uh
(Everyone:) Getting an h-w-p file (fade out, repeating "h-w-p file", but with the last audible sentence, shouted:)
"But I can't open the damn thing!" |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Charlie Bourque
Joined: 27 Jun 2010
|
| Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 11:01 am Post subject: |
|
|
Personally, I hope things go the way of Hong Kong's NET/PNET scheme.
You usually need a related B.A., a B.Ed /PGDE/QTS, CELTA/DELTA, and at least 2 years experience to be considered a competitive candidate. The chances of a basket-weaver getting a NET/PNET job are slim to none -- most of the teachers are very qualified, and that is also reflected in their generous salary + benefits.
I think that the mandatory TESOL for SMOE/GEPIK (100+20hr) and EPIK in Busan (100+60hr) is a giant step in the right direction. They will never cut out the EPIK/GEPIK/SMOE programs outright; however, it seems very likely that they will keep reducing available positions until on highly qualified teachers would be eligible candidates. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Evanzinho
Joined: 10 Apr 2008
Location: California
|
| Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 11:04 am Post subject: |
|
|
| CentralCali wrote: |
Speaking of "document":
A Document!
(sung to the tune of Going to the Chapel)
|
Someone has waaaaay to much time on their hands. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
|
| Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 5:06 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Evanzinho wrote: |
| CentralCali wrote: |
Speaking of "document":
A Document!
(sung to the tune of Going to the Chapel)
|
Someone has waaaaay to much time on their hands. |
Took around 20 minutes total. I like to write parodies. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Jodami
Joined: 08 Feb 2013
|
| Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 7:54 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Charlie Bourque wrote: |
Personally, I hope things go the way of Hong Kong's NET/PNET scheme.
You usually need a related B.A., a B.Ed /PGDE/QTS, CELTA/DELTA, and at least 2 years experience to be considered a competitive candidate. The chances of a basket-weaver getting a NET/PNET job are slim to none -- most of the teachers are very qualified, and that is also reflected in their generous salary + benefits.
I think that the mandatory TESOL for SMOE/GEPIK (100+20hr) and EPIK in Busan (100+60hr) is a giant step in the right direction. They will never cut out the EPIK/GEPIK/SMOE programs outright; however, it seems very likely that they will keep reducing available positions until on highly qualified teachers would be eligible candidates. |
In theory, I agree. However, will salaries increase? Will the dreaded co-teacher be told to take a hike because I'm sure certified teachers won't be putting up with their bs.
How about professionalism in a lot of the schools? Again, certified teachers will not be attracted to work in such establishments. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
HeatherG
Joined: 25 Feb 2013
|
| Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 8:32 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| I'm concerned about the classroom requirement for TEFL because I don't know of any locally. I'm taking a 120-hour online course, but not sure where I could get the classroom hours (especially for a reasonable price). |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
|
| Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 9:24 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Charlie Bourque wrote: |
| I think that the mandatory TESOL for SMOE/GEPIK (100+20hr) and EPIK in Busan (100+60hr) is a giant step in the right direction. They will never cut out the EPIK/GEPIK/SMOE programs outright; however, it seems very likely that they will keep reducing available positions until on highly qualified teachers would be eligible candidates. |
Those are 100 hours INCLUSIVE of the required classroom component not 100 hours plus the classroom component.
Most real (as in on-site) TEFL / TESOL courses more than fill the bill.
Even the TEFL course at your local community center (4 weekends) + 40 hours of class assignments will complete the requirements for Busan.
An "Oxford Seminars" weekend course and 80 assignment hours on line meets the general EPIK requirement.
They are certainly far less than requiring real teachers and only about 1 heartbeat above what they were.
It just weeds out the $169 internet deals and the TEFL school of Photoshop).
. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
isitts
Joined: 25 Dec 2008
Location: Korea
|
| Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 4:29 am Post subject: |
|
|
| HeatherG wrote: |
| I'm concerned about the classroom requirement for TEFL because I don't know of any locally. I'm taking a 120-hour online course, but not sure where I could get the classroom hours (especially for a reasonable price). |
Don't think there is classroom requirement to teach in Korea. Online corses are fine for here. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
|
| Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 7:49 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Charlie Bourque wrote: |
Personally, I hope things go the way of Hong Kong's NET/PNET scheme.
You usually need a related B.A., a B.Ed /PGDE/QTS, CELTA/DELTA, and at least 2 years experience to be considered a competitive candidate. The chances of a basket-weaver getting a NET/PNET job are slim to none -- most of the teachers are very qualified, and that is also reflected in their generous salary + benefits.
I think that the mandatory TESOL for SMOE/GEPIK (100+20hr) and EPIK in Busan (100+60hr) is a giant step in the right direction. They will never cut out the EPIK/GEPIK/SMOE programs outright; however, it seems very likely that they will keep reducing available positions until on highly qualified teachers would be eligible candidates. |
But would the programs double the compensation package? Because that is what they'd have to do if they wanted B ed with CELTAs. I highly doubt it. In the short term some teachers may come here due to the bad economy. In the long run, whenever there may be a recovery, there will be an extreme teacher shortage. Anti English spectrum would like that part, at least. Maybe that's why they push for more "qualifications" to drive us out.
At any rate, the budget is strained now. What makes it realistic to assume, EPIK would pay a lot more money for more qualifications? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
|
| Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 7:51 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Jodami wrote: |
| Charlie Bourque wrote: |
Personally, I hope things go the way of Hong Kong's NET/PNET scheme.
You usually need a related B.A., a B.Ed /PGDE/QTS, CELTA/DELTA, and at least 2 years experience to be considered a competitive candidate. The chances of a basket-weaver getting a NET/PNET job are slim to none -- most of the teachers are very qualified, and that is also reflected in their generous salary + benefits.
I think that the mandatory TESOL for SMOE/GEPIK (100+20hr) and EPIK in Busan (100+60hr) is a giant step in the right direction. They will never cut out the EPIK/GEPIK/SMOE programs outright; however, it seems very likely that they will keep reducing available positions until on highly qualified teachers would be eligible candidates. |
In theory, I agree. However, will salaries increase? Will the dreaded co-teacher be told to take a hike because I'm sure certified teachers won't be putting up with their bs.
How about professionalism in a lot of the schools? Again, certified teachers will not be attracted to work in such establishments. |
I've known of some certified teachers who complained about co teaching in schools and also about Korean educational culture who had a difficult time fitting in. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
|
| Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 4:08 am Post subject: Re: EPIK...a thing of the past???? |
|
|
| itiswhatitis wrote: |
Today my co-teacher (an elementary school in Seoul) tells me that EPIK was suppose to end this year but that they are extending it for 1 more year (it will end next year instead). I asked her if she was refering to middle school and high school positions only. She tells me that the plan is for EPIK to be completely gone by next year and that this is its final year.
I knew about the cuts to middle and high school positions but this is a shock to me.
I swear that I am not trolling.
Anyone know about this?? Is EPIK over????? |
Every couple of years this rumor ( or a varient thereof) hits the boards and people start to panic.
I would greatly doubt it, although having lived through about five (at last count) of these 'false alarms' I may be slightly jaded when it comes to these prognostications of doom and gloom. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
FAQ
Search
Memberlist
Usergroups
Register
Profile
Log in to check your private messages
Log in
