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EZE
Joined: 05 May 2012
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| Stan Rogers wrote: |
| What sorts of crimes are the Koreans talking about? Parking tickets? Speeding tickets? Murders? Rapes? |
Non-payment of unemployment insurance by E-2 visa holders. From my experience, it seems to be the most pressing issue being investigated by Korean police and immigration officials. A national priority.  |
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newb
Joined: 27 Aug 2012
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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| No, actually it's E-2ers doing illegal private tutoring. |
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joelove
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| Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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| The way news is, no point in presenting things accurately, not much profit in that. So I guess it will be more like "Foreigners commit many crimes" -- never mind the details. |
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Mr. BlackCat
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Location: Insert witty remark HERE
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| Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 12:26 am Post subject: |
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Uh, we do realize that the link posted by the OP actually debunks the claim made in the title? Besides, if the crime rate of a specific group is 7% that doesn't mean 7% of that group commits crimes (as the OP said). Usually individual criminals commit several crimes.
As others have said, it means nothing anyway without actually detailing what crimes we're talking about. Let's look at a list of violent crimes, or felonies, and talk about that. Common sense dictates that college educated adults in a foreign country who depend on clean records for their their employment will have a lower crime rate than a whole society that includes organized crime, poverty and the uneducated. It's not even about race or nationality, it's about economics and socio-political realities. Yeah, not every Canadian or American is here on an E2 visa (the study excluded the army), but the majority are.
Anyway, this whole thing reminds me of how certain politicians in the US say that illegal immigrants have such a high crime rate. What they don't say is that they count being in the country illegally as a 'crime', which is technically accurate, but manipulates the understanding of the reality. |
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Kepler
Joined: 24 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 1:15 am Post subject: |
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| Mr. BlackCat wrote: |
Uh, we do realize that the link posted by the OP actually debunks the claim made in the title? Besides, if the crime rate of a specific group is 7% that doesn't mean 7% of that group commits crimes (as the OP said). Usually individual criminals commit several crimes.
As others have said, it means nothing anyway without actually detailing what crimes we're talking about. Let's look at a list of violent crimes, or felonies, and talk about that. Common sense dictates that college educated adults in a foreign country who depend on clean records for their their employment will have a lower crime rate than a whole society that includes organized crime, poverty and the uneducated. It's not even about race or nationality, it's about economics and socio-political realities. Yeah, not every Canadian or American is here on an E2 visa (the study excluded the army), but the majority are.
Anyway, this whole thing reminds me of how certain politicians in the US say that illegal immigrants have such a high crime rate. What they don't say is that they count being in the country illegally as a 'crime', which is technically accurate, but manipulates the understanding of the reality. |
The study said that 33.4% of the crimes committed by Americans and Canadians here were violent. So most of the crimes were nonviolent.
The study claimed that nearly 7% of Americans here are criminals according to 2011 arrest data. However, Americans were arrested 1,788 times and the total population of Americans was 132,133 in 2011.
1,788 divided by 132,133 is 1.353% which isn't even close to 7%. The organization which did this study, the Korean Institute of Criminology, publishes their own journal on criminology and has presented workshops about crime at the United Nations. I find it hard to believe that they unintentionally made such a basic error in their calculations. |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 2:51 am Post subject: |
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| EZE wrote: |
| Stan Rogers wrote: |
| What sorts of crimes are the Koreans talking about? Parking tickets? Speeding tickets? Murders? Rapes? |
Non-payment of unemployment insurance by E-2 visa holders. |
Dating korean women. |
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le-paul
Joined: 07 Apr 2009
Location: dans la chambre
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| Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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anyone whos ever done any serious research must realise that before you undertake a project, you usually have an agenda.
its like writing a dissertation, you often start with your conclusion and then try to find the arguments to support what you want to say. research does that with prattle and numbers... |
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KimchiNinja
Joined: 01 May 2012
Location: Gangnam
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| Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 12:19 am Post subject: |
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| So nearly 7% of Americans in Korea are criminals. |
After reading Dave's, doesn't really surprise me. |
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NilesQ
Joined: 27 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 6:28 am Post subject: |
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| They also seem to be using # of charges instead # of convictions or findings of guilt as their definition of "criminality". |
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Kepler
Joined: 24 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 4:12 pm Post subject: |
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| They also seem to be using # of charges instead # of convictions or findings of guilt as their definition of "criminality". |
Even going by the number of charges, the Korean crime rate is more than double the American crime rate here. However, I don't think that's the narrative Koreans want to hear. It doesn't fit their "Koreans are the innocent victims of foreigners" worldview. I have to wonder if Korean nationalism trumps everything else in this country when professional researchers stoop to the level of deliberately fabricating data to make foreigners look bad. |
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nate1983
Joined: 30 Mar 2008
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Yeah, not every Canadian or American is here on an E2 visa (the study excluded the army), but the majority are.
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Are you sure about that? For some reason I thought most Canadians were on gyopo visas...I wouldn't be so sure about Americans either. |
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Old fat expat
Joined: 19 Sep 2005
Location: a caravan of dust, making for a windy prairie
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Ahh, yes.
Perhaps the researchers reasoned that those not on E-2 were more likely to be gyopos (as a % say). As such, a class of visa not to be counted as foreigners in the statistics - which reduces your N and has an effect on the % from the raw score.
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Kepler
Joined: 24 Sep 2007
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Dating korean women. |
Apparently so. One topic discussed in last week's episode of the crime talk show "We are Detectives" was how easily Korean women are victimized by English teachers. This clip entitled "David's Method of Targeting Korean Women" was shown:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpJ5Lbm1GT4
Notice the scary music at the end as the couple heads towards a motel. |
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Squire
Joined: 26 Sep 2010
Location: Jeollanam-do
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| Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Kepler wrote: |
| Julius wrote: |
Dating korean women. |
Apparently so. One topic discussed in last week's episode of the crime talk show "We are Detectives" was how easily Korean women are victimized by English teachers. This clip entitled "David's Method of Targeting Korean Women" was shown:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpJ5Lbm1GT4
Notice the scary music at the end as the couple heads towards a motel. |
Know anything about the discussion? I'd be interested to know what sort of crime is supposedly committed and whether anybody in the studio audience actually called out this BS. |
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Kepler
Joined: 24 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Squire wrote: |
| Kepler wrote: |
| Julius wrote: |
Dating korean women. |
Apparently so. One topic discussed in last week's episode of the crime talk show "We are Detectives" was how easily Korean women are victimized by English teachers. This clip entitled "David's Method of Targeting Korean Women" was shown:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpJ5Lbm1GT4
Notice the scary music at the end as the couple heads towards a motel. |
Know anything about the discussion? I'd be interested to know what sort of crime is supposedly committed and whether anybody in the studio audience actually called out this BS. |
Here's a translation of an article which summarized the episode:
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"Get a Korean woman pregnant": Shock over manual for foreign men
During a broadcast of the JTBC crime prevention talk show "We are detectives" on March 28, stories about foreign crime were shared.
On the show a ranking of types of crimes by foreigners was made public. The results revealed that at #1 was assault, #2, fraud (such as voice phishing, and international marriage), #3, burglary, #4, sexual crimes, and at #5 was drugs. In particular, it was pointed out that, as the sex crime rate has increased by 73% in the past three years, government measures are urgently needed.
In fact, the posting of "How to target Korean women" at a site used exclusively by foreign English instructors caused shock. According to the post, when it comes to Korean women, if an English speaking white male shows a friendly appearance and is complimentary and well mannered, they can easily commit sex crimes.
A detective at the Yongin Seobu Police Station advised that, "It seems like a yearning for advanced countries and a social atmosphere in which English ability is important [has led to people] letting their guard down regarding foreigners from English speaking countries." "Rather than having blind, reckless feelings, we should pay attention in order to prevent crime."
So then, how should foreign sex crimes be dealt with when they arise? Detective Kim Su-jin, of the Seoul Metropolitan Police Agency, said, "In our country, foreign crimes are punished just as Koreans' are." "You need to ask for help by preserving evidence and reporting to the police."
Detective Im Mun-gyu of the Gyeongju Police Station said, "In the past when problems arose within international marriages, there were many cases in which Koreans were the perpetrators. However, recently there have been many cases in which Koreans have been victimized, such as when Koreans are used by foreigners to acquire Korean nationality.
In fact, among southwest Asian men, there exists a "Manual for getting Korean permanent residency." According to this, it shockingly advises that they should approach women with disabilities, older unmarried women, or young woman and get them pregnant, and then stay married for two years.
Solbi, who appeared on the panel, said angrily, "Intentionally approaching Korean women and getting them pregnant can't be real," and Heo Jun's reaction was to say, "Using Korean women's maternal love is the worst crime."
Online Joongang Ilbo, reporter Jo Eun-mi |
http://populargusts.blogspot.kr/2013/04/from-incorrectly-calculated-foreign.html |
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