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Julius

Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 5:51 am Post subject: |
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| hellofaniceguy wrote: |
A grown male...teaching kids...is not a good idea in any country given all the accusations.
And with an advanced degree...why would a grown male want to teach children? |
Thats an awfully negative view.
In reality, many men - of all ages- make excellent teachers of kids, often better than women.
Many men prefer the fun and easygoing lightheartedness of the younger learners. I'm one, I've even turned down uni jobs because i much prefer teaching kids.
Beware of pandering to stereotypes. |
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joelove
Joined: 12 May 2011
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Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 10:21 am Post subject: Re: Teaching kids for 43-year-old man |
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| ontheway wrote: |
| Julius wrote: |
| ttompatz wrote: |
Only a fool would consider an entry level job in a hagwon if they had an MATESOL. |
"An" is used before words beginning with a vowel only. |
Correction:
"An" is used before words (or letters) beginning with a vowel sound.
... so "an em" is correct. So is "an M A" ... |
Yeah, depends how it is spoken. I guess people say, "He has an M A Tesol."
(never heard anyone say that, so not sure) |
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Swampfox10mm
Joined: 24 Mar 2011
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Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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This thread is full of stupid.
Ok, now that I've said it...
The negative comment about a grown man teaching kids insinuating that it's bad/wrong/suspect is way, way off base. In fact, in my years on this planet, I have come to understand that the people who make these sorts of comments are often the ones who have... shall we say... problems or hang-ups that would make me not want them teaching my kids. A lot like the George Wallace-types who hate blacks yet end up having a secret mixed-race child. Or the Senator who is very anti-gay, yet ends up getting caught looking for gay sex in an airport bathroom.
Also, the comment by Ttompatz suggesting that someone with an MATESOL would be foolish to consider teaching kids is, in my opinion, hogwash. There is nothing wrong with encouraging the guy to look for better -- no problem there -- but to tell him it would be foolish? Seriously, Ttompatz, I'd expect better out of you. Shame. |
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joelove
Joined: 12 May 2011
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Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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I'm guessing the foolish part was purely about money. If you can make lots and enjoy your work, well done. Not many are so fortunate.
About a man teaching kids, of course there is nothing wrong except that some people think there is. Some men would avoid it just from the fear of what others would think, sadly. A fear of being accused of being inappropriate is not totally crazy, or is it? Not sure, but what other people think or fear does matter, however wrong they may seem to be. Anyway, most men who have such a fear about teaching children will most likely steer clear of the job, I suppose. |
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3DR
Joined: 24 May 2009
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Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Julius wrote: |
| hellofaniceguy wrote: |
A grown male...teaching kids...is not a good idea in any country given all the accusations.
And with an advanced degree...why would a grown male want to teach children? |
Thats an awfully negative view.
In reality, many men - of all ages- make excellent teachers of kids, often better than women.
Many men prefer the fun and easygoing lightheartedness of the younger learners. I'm one, I've even turned down uni jobs because i much prefer teaching kids.
Beware of pandering to stereotypes. |
The double standards when it comes to these issues is amazing sometimes.
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Scorpion
Joined: 15 Apr 2012
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Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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From my own childhood the teachers that I recall with the most fondness were men. I remember their names to this day. I can't recall the names of any of my female teachers. For some reason they made less of an impact on me. I would say a school should have a good mix of male and female teachers, especially if the school has both boys and girls.
To suggest that an individual cannot teach children simply because of their gender is an embarassing position to hold in 2013. All that is required is a dedication to education and a love of children. Are men really less capable of these qualities than women? Do we not love our mothers and our fathers? our grand grandmothers and grandfathers? Do they not equally love us? All that children need are good teachers who love what they do.
One thing I respect about Korea is this: I didn't even know that I liked children before I came here. I thought they were a nuisance. I took a teaching job most reluctantly, but I'm glad I did. It made me realize how wonderful young people are, and how much satisfaction we can get from teaching them. They are full of energy and affection, and the world is still magical through their eyes. Since life can become somewhat dull at times for adults, it's wonderful to be surrounded with little persons who still believe in angels and fairies...Like women, men also have souls.
One more point. Generally speaking, Korean children don't get enough attention from their fathers. Raising the children is the mother's job. This is changing slowly, but it is still very apparent. Many of the children need the affection of a male role model, and this is often redirected to the teacher (foreign or Korean). I've had children run up and hug me tight and I've often thought, "I don't deserve this affection, this belongs to their fathers". But he's not available. So until traditional gender roles change in Korea there is an even greater need for males in the classroom.
OP, if you want to teach children do it. It's a blessing and helps reduce the stress that other aspects of living in Korea can cause. You enjoy laughter, light-heartedness and inquisitive minds? That only makes you human. Teaching children is the ticket.
Posters on this thread have given you good advice. Do what give you satisfaction. Life is too short to let other people's misconceptions trip you up.
Best of luck to you. |
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ttompatz

Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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Posted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 12:38 am Post subject: |
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| Swampfox10mm wrote: |
Also, the comment by Ttompatz suggesting that someone with an MATESOL would be foolish to consider teaching kids is, in my opinion, hogwash. There is nothing wrong with encouraging the guy to look for better -- no problem there -- but to tell him it would be foolish? Seriously, Ttompatz, I'd expect better out of you. Shame. |
ummm.....No... An MATESOL and working with kids is fine.
Perhaps you were reading a bit fast... or perhaps reading what wasn't there; projecting your own opinion into it?
I actually suggested he consider looking at mainstream or bilingual K-12 schools that may take him without home country certification to get started or to work toward certification and proper international schools.
I strongly suggested that an MATESOL coupled with years of uni classroom experience and thinking of working at an entry level hagwon job in Korea is just plain foolish.
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Only a fool would consider an entry level job in a hagwon if they had an MATESOL.
Get certified and move into the better international schools if you want to work with kids.
Look at public schools in Korea or China (net SAVINGS at the end of the year are similar, housing is better and you get less of the crap).
Look at lower tiered international schools in Thailand. Your MA will serve you well even without your teacher's license. (Top tier international schools will require that you are certified as a teacher). Pay ranges will be in the $2000+ range and they will have support for your child (tuition assistance and classes taught in English). The cost of living is also substantially lower so you will still be able to save about 1/2 of your salary.
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