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First Nazi-themed bars, now the Kia "Provo".
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Smithington



Joined: 14 Dec 2011

PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 2:28 am    Post subject: First Nazi-themed bars, now the Kia "Provo". Reply with quote

Given that Koreans are so notoriously thin-skinned about matters Han, you'd think they'd stop and give a moment's thought about the sensitivities of others. We have Nazi-themed bars, offensive depictions of Africans in school text books, the 'wall of Jews' scandal a few years back, the demonization of English teachers, and tourist adverts that describe other cultures as 'primitive'. Now Kia has produced the "Provo". For anyone who doesn't know, a provo is a member of the IRA which killed and maimed thousands in Northern Ireland. Now you'll have former IRA driving around Belfast in their new 'provo' to provoke their neighbors.

For all the time Koreans spend attached to their computers and smart phones, you'd think they'd occasionally google search a name before running with it.

The Kia Provo.Confused


Oops, forgot to add the link. http://www.u.tv/news/Kia-defends-new-Provo-car/1ccae793-17d4-41d8-8bd5-003790dbc247#.UTTSYTamOr8.twitter
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le-paul



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 2:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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highstreet



Joined: 13 Nov 2010

PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 6:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's just a car. I don't think anyone will care.
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JustinC



Joined: 10 Mar 2012
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

highstreet wrote:
It's just a car. I don't think anyone will care.


Because of a religious and political war? Sure...
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Captain Corea



Joined: 28 Feb 2005
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps it was named after the US city? I doubt that it was named after the issue you mention.

Isn't this why certain brands/products customize their names in different countries? Change it in Ireland, keep it the same in the US.

I really don't think this is the same as having a Nazi themed bar.
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Steelrails



Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is more Chevy Nova than Nazi Bar.

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For anyone who doesn't know, a provo is a member of the IRA which killed and maimed thousands in Northern Ireland.


Which is pretty much everyone outside of the British Isles and South Boston.

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For all the time Koreans spend attached to their computers and smart phones, you'd think they'd occasionally google search a name before running with it.


It would have been nice if you had actually done so.

I just did. The first result is Provo Utah. Then Provo (disambiguation) on wiki, followed by a Dutch counterculture movement, then more results for Provo Utah, a company called Provocraft based in Utah, and a company called Provo Ltd. based in Canada that sells wires and cables. On the second page is a sunglasses company based in the US that advertises its 'Provo Ebony Framed Sunglasses'.

Not a single mention of The Troubles.

First, I expect you will be leveling a blast at the Canadians and their despicable company that dares to call themselves 'Provo'. Ditto for the American company, after all they have the racist lineage of Kosmo Kramer, Jimmy the Greek, Rosie O'Donnell, Jason Whitlock, etc.

Or you could get off the high horse and see it for what it is, a simple botch.

Also, in all likelihood, the marketing and name selection probably involved quite a few Westerners.

A short history of Car Naming problems.

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Naming missteps

This isn't the first time an automaker has landed in hot water over the name of a vehicle.

In Spanish, Chevy's Nova means "doesn't go," Mazda's LaPuta translates as the term for a prostitute when the syllables are split up and the Nissan Moco also means "booger" in Spanish.

Honda ditched the term "Fitta" for its compact car that became the Fit after it was revealed that Fitta is a Scandinavian slang word to describe a woman's genitals.

Ford's infamous Pinto is the name for a small spotted pony in Spanish, but is also Brazilian Portuguese slang for *beep*.

Closer to home, GM landed in hot water when its rebranded Buick emerged as the LaCrosse. That term is Qu�b�cois slang for pleasuring yourself, in some parts of the province.


http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/story/2013/03/05/business-kia-concept-provo.html
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CentralCali



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I checked the link in the OP. The car company says they simply shortened the English word provoke as in "Provoke a reaction." I seriously doubt they wanted to provoke the reaction of the OP here. The company wanted people to notice the car. Looking at the vehicle, I'd have to say it's not bad. Some people might find it rather sporty.
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Fox



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One must admit, given the evident goal of modern western culture is to train people to be whiny little girls who actively seek to be offended at every turn, it's been wildly successful. Whining about a car name incidentally coinciding with some terrorist group from Ireland is probably not a new low (the British government completely blows the competition out of the water when it comes to ridiculous PC sensitivity), but it's still pretty silly.

As an aside, I think the idea of a Nazi-themed bar is a bit funny, and I say that as a person of Jewish descent. Yes, the Holocaust was terrible, but the Nazis were so cartoonish that they almost beg to be caricatured, and chuckling about how ridiculous they were is a far better triumph than turning them into some archetypal evil. Europe's treatment of the Nazis -- the way they've almost enshrined them as a modern, secular "Devil" figure -- is what is objectionable.
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young_clinton



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Captain Corea wrote:
Perhaps it was named after the US city? I doubt


It obviously was named after Provo, Utah. Hundai has the Santa Fe and the Tucson. Hundai owns 30 percent of Kia's stock
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Lucas



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
� Buick LaCrosse - French Canadian slang for masturbation

� Chevrolet LUV - What a generation of US teens had in mind when buying one

� Daihatsu Naked - Why?

� Ford Pinto - Portugese slang for *beep*. Hopefully never prangs a Honda Fitta

� Honda Fitta - Scandinavian slang for female genitalia

� Isuzu Bighorn - A car name straight out of a 70s sitcom

� Isuzu GIGA 20 Light Dump - Be grateful there's no Heavy Dump

� Mazda LaPuta - Spanish slang for prostitute

� Mitsubishi Pajero - Spanish slang for wanker

� Willys Jeep - Classic car, classic innuendo

http://www.motortorque.com/motoring-blog/lifestyle/ten-rude-car-names-8543.aspx


I wouldn't worry about the Irish. They have no money at the moment anyway!

I bought a house there 2 months ago. I swapped it for a bag of potatoes and a half drank bottle of whiskey! Razz
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optik404



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JustinC wrote:
highstreet wrote:
It's just a car. I don't think anyone will care.


Because of a religious and political war? Sure...


I'm willing to bet that most of the world has never heard of this political war.
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12ax7



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also thought it was the name of a city in the US.

The likelihood of anyone outside of Ireland knowing that Provo was the nickname of an IRA group was close to nil until now.

In fact, if you Google "Provo", the first thing that pops up is the Wikipedia page of that city.

I looked for any mention clearly linking the word to the IRA. I gave up after 5 pages.

One thing, though...Second search result:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provo_(movement)

I wouldn't be surprised if that was the inspiration for the name. Looks like they've got hipsters naming their cars now.
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edwardcatflap



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As Steelrails said everyone in the British Isles (and maybe Boston) over a certain age would probably think of the IRA first when they heard the name 'Provo' . Of course it would be ludicrous to be 'offended' by this and it's ludicrous of Kia to even bother saying there was no intention to cause offence. As if a car company would intentionally name a car after something to cause offence.

They obviously want to sell as many as possible and it could be that if they'd done a bit more research they could have seen that it wasn't a good choice of name for people in a certain part of the word. Names are pretty important in branding and even if it doesn't cause offence, people might make jokes about it, which could potentially affect sales.
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comm



Joined: 22 Jun 2010

PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 1:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Smithington wrote:
For all the time Koreans spend attached to their computers and smart phones, you'd think they'd occasionally google search a name before running with it.

Just for S&G, I looked through the first 10 pages of Google search results for "Provo" and (excepting references to the car) I found nothing about the IRA. If you can back your statement up and do find a result featuring the IRA, feel free to let us know which page it's on.
If you had asked the forum what a "Provo" is two weeks ago, I'll bet no one would have answered that it's an IRA member.

Fox wrote:
Europe's treatment of the Nazis -- the way they've almost enshrined them as a modern, secular "Devil" figure -- is what is objectionable.

So true.
Portraying Nazis as being literally inhuman obfuscates the most important fact we should remember: that under certain conditions, every day people will unleash unspeakable horrors on each other.
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edwardcatflap



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 1:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Just for S&G, I looked through the first 10 pages of Google search results for "Provo" and (excepting references to the car) I found nothing about the IRA. If you can back your statement up and do find a result featuring the IRA, feel free to let us know which page it's on.
If you had asked the forum what a "Provo" is two weeks ago, I'll bet no one would have answered that it's an IRA member.



Type in 'provos' and you get more entries. Obviously they were talked about more in the plural - e.g. 'the provos were responsible for the bombing', than the singular.[/code]
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