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saram_
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 Posted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, you're not the only one who has serious issues with the way certain Korean "journalists" cover stories related to the US military. Speaking of which, did you happen to notice that at least one of the Korean rags...er, news outfits had to interject the "June 13th Incident" into this story? It has no bearing at all on the case and its mention can have only one purpose, that of agitating the rag...er, news outfit's readership. |
This has certainly not been treated as a once off incident.
News reports have focused on an increasing amount of crime from the US military. That is their main focus. They had graphs up illustrating the rise etc. They are putting events together. Anti US sentiment is always on the verge of getting worse anyway. That's just how it is.
Last night the talk was about how.. compared to other countries, (Japan etc) - Korean police or authorities have little say over issues affecting the US military here.
If those people the other night had gotten back to base they could not have been touched by the Korean authorities and probably the incident would have been brushed over.
There have been plenty of incidents down through the years where the Korean authorities have been frustrated and blocked from prosecuting offending US military police. I reckon the public have had enough.
In that way, All negative incidents relating to the US military here are put together. All the good can be undone in one incident even that with hindsight look a bit ridiculous and silly.
It isn't a huge amount different for the NET's here either. |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Lucky that a conservative pro-American government is in power. They won't be fanning the flames. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 12:34 am Post subject: |
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| saram_ wrote: |
| CentralCali wrote: |
| Yeah, you're not the only one who has serious issues with the way certain Korean "journalists" cover stories related to the US military. Speaking of which, did you happen to notice that at least one of the Korean rags...er, news outfits had to interject the "June 13th Incident" into this story? It has no bearing at all on the case and its mention can have only one purpose, that of agitating the rag...er, news outfit's readership. |
This has certainly not been treated as a once off incident.
News reports have focused on an increasing amount of crime from the US military. That is their main focus. They had graphs up illustrating the rise etc. They are putting events together. Anti US sentiment is always on the verge of getting worse anyway. That's just how it is.
Last night the talk was about how.. compared to other countries, (Japan etc) - Korean police or authorities have little say over issues affecting the US military here.
If those people the other night had gotten back to base they could not have been touched by the Korean authorities and probably the incident would have been brushed over. |
Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. The Korean news is simply wrong on this. And they're playing very loose with the facts on "the increase in GI crime." They're using percentages instead of actual numbers to make it look like the foreign military is here raping and pillaging en masse.
It's simply a false assertion that the Korean authorities cannot touch the offenders once they're back on the base. It's also false that the Korean authorities have "little say" over issues affecting the US military in Korea.
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| There have been plenty of incidents down through the years where the Korean authorities have been frustrated and blocked from prosecuting offending US military police. |
Really, now? List them. To my knowledge, the US authorities have always cooperated with the Korean authorities. The US authorities, of course, have not relinquished jurisdiction in cases where the alleged offense was on-duty related, such as the incident I mentioned earlier. The Korean "news" simply ignored the facts of the treaty obligation and also ignored the fact that the US military investigated. It must also be noted that the military investigation in that case was not tainted by politics to the extent that the Korean civilian authorities were.
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| I reckon the public have had enough. |
Well, maybe the public should learn some freaking facts instead of relying on their cruddy excuses for news sources. I have no problem with people being upset over actual crimes committed by anyone, I have no problem with people being upset over stupid stunts by people who should know better. I have a huge problem with people calling for someone's head, so to speak, absent facts especially when the supposed facts touted to those people are simply false. And easily discovered by a real journalist.
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In that way, All negative incidents relating to the US military here are put together. All the good can be undone in one incident even that with hindsight look a bit ridiculous and silly.
It isn't a huge amount different for the NET's here either. |
Your statements here are true. The Korean news, and thus the Korean people's, perception of what's happening is not true.
By the way, in case anyone is wondering, the ROK-US SOFA is not very different at all from the Japan-US SOFA in the handling of alleged offenses by US military personnel. |
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slothrop
Joined: 03 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 12:47 am Post subject: |
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Los Angeloser
Joined: 26 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 1:20 am Post subject: |
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| slothrop wrote: |
aren't korean troops stationed overseas(in whatever country the US is currrently at war with) also protected by a SOFA?
i'm pretty sure they are. can't be having occupying forces(even if "invited" or UN sanctioned) at the mercy of the iraq, afghan, or korean justice system. confucious say... justice can not be blind when foreigner is in strange land, armed to the teeth, and unfamiliar with local bribery customs. |
The SOFA allows the country(S. Korea in this case) to prosecute American soldiers in Korean courts. The S. Korean military ain't got no SOFA/ain't never signed any SOFA anywhere so their military members never face the justice of any other country but their own, and we know how that goes. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 1:24 am Post subject: |
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| The SOFA allows the country(S. Korea in this case) to prosecute American soldiers in Korean courts. The S. Korean military ain't got no SOFA/ain't never signed any SOFA anywhere so their military members never face the justice of any other country but their own, and we know how that goes. |
Are you sure about this? AFAIK, the ROK has signed SOFA treaties with other countries to protect their troops deployed overseas. |
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slothrop
Joined: 03 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 1:38 am Post subject: |
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Los Angeloser
Joined: 26 Aug 2010
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 1:50 am Post subject: |
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| What is the outcome of the incident that several soldiers harassing a Korean woman in a subway? Anyone know? |
I believe it was revealed that the behavior of the soldiers was embellished by either the media or the witnesses. |
Then could this "toy" gun shooting incident be the same? |
Doubt it, I saw video of it on the news last night. A bunch of cops were surrounding the car and the driver took off. Also there was a recording from a taxi that showed the car flying past them. Along with all the damage they caused from running in to parked cars.
The soldiers are lucky that they didn't run over a cop or civilian. |
After a second look those aren't all cops "surrounding" the car. It appears the police don't mind the help of citizens when trying to apprehend suspects.
Who knows how they would've "helped" the police had the suspects gotten out of the vehicle on that Sat. night? But the welcoming of citizen helpery was evident with the taxi driver. Come to think of it, since taxi drivers don't go through CRC's, it could've been criminal chasing criminal. |
Why do you feel the need to defend them? They did something stupid and I'm sure they regret it. |
I called the suspects "criminals" and they ain't even been found guilty yet. How is that "defending" them? But now that you mentioned it; I just gotta wonder what those helpful citizens were saying to the suspects in the car while the cops didn't appear to make any attempt to keep them back. Were they threatening to kill them? If I were the suspects I'd probably say I fled in fear of my life. In the past innocent American soldiers have been kidnapped, beaten, and forced to make false statements denouncing the US government on Korean TV by such citizens. So I can't help but wonder, though I do wish they had gotten out of the car to see what would've happened to the presumed(not innocent?) American "criminals." |
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Los Angeloser
Joined: 26 Aug 2010
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 1:59 am Post subject: |
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| CentralCali wrote: |
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| The SOFA allows the country(S. Korea in this case) to prosecute American soldiers in Korean courts. The S. Korean military ain't got no SOFA/ain't never signed any SOFA anywhere so their military members never face the justice of any other country but their own, and we know how that goes. |
Are you sure about this? AFAIK, the ROK has signed SOFA treaties with other countries to protect their troops deployed overseas. |
Okay yes, something was signed, but no place has jurisdiction over Korean soldiers. The Korean military has never allowed one of their soldiers to be tried in a foreign host nation�s civilian courts, but they also do not stand trial in Korean civilian courts. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 5:53 am Post subject: |
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| slothrop wrote: |
| a SOFA(status of forces agreemant) always exists so as to retain jurisdiction over troops stationed in a foreign country regardless of local law. |
Wrong. The SOFA exists to define the situations and the procedures under which the foreign military will operate. One of those procedures is how to handle foreign military accused of crimes.
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| it may very well be true that the US SOFA in korea has been ammended so as to allow for some circumstances in which US military personel may be prosecuted under the korean justice system in order to appease the masses by creating the illusion of korean sovreignity. but these circumstances are the exception. not the rule. |
Not may be. Is. And it wasn't an ammendment; it started out that way. And it's not the exception. You can check the monthly court-martial reports, which happen to also include Korean criminal prosecution of US military in Korean courts.
There's already too much ignorance on the subject. Don't post nonsense, please.
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| and korean troops in iraq and afghanistan definitely were protected by a SOFA. that's why they could drink soju in kabul and not be legally beheaded.LOL |
Do you know what you're talking about? Consumption of alcohol is not a capital offense in Afghanistan. At least not by the actual government. All bets are off when you're talking about the Taliban. |
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slothrop
Joined: 03 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 7:21 am Post subject: |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 7:43 am Post subject: |
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i'll get back to you after i "check the monthly court-martial reports"LOL
all i can say is, if you're right about this, i will never again take seriously information i get from AFN commercials. |
Personally, I think you'd be better served to actually pay attention to those AFN spots before you denigrate the information they provide. Granted, they're not the best produced pieces of television advertising; however, they do present accurate information. |
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saram_
Joined: 13 May 2008
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| Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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Forget NK..
The latest big news will focus on more hostile US military behavior towards Korean civilians..
http://m.yna.co.kr/mob2/en/contents_en.jsp?cid=AEN20130309002200315&domain=3&ctype=A&site=0100000000&mobile
This time a US Army mechanic brandishing a knife down in Pyeontaek... after a car accident! Road rage is what some would call it. Either way..
Of course there will be the mandatory putting together of unrelated incidents of violence by the US military here. Par for the course now!!
It is a little ironic that this latest phase ( two Sats in a row, and the darkness hasn't even set in yet on this one) comes as dependency on the US and other key allies is at its greatest..
Or is it?? |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 3:30 am Post subject: |
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saram: Both those guys in the story you linked are real brain surgeons, aren't they? The Korean-American civilian employee who threatened the Korean civilian and also vandalized the vehicle and, of course, the idiot Korean civilian who pretended to be a Korean police officer. Sheer genius.  |
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Los Angeloser
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