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JustinC
Joined: 10 Mar 2012 Location: We Are The World!
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Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 5:27 am Post subject: |
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I consider us all freelance as we're not tied to an employer long-term.
I've been in some places where other NETs are just trying to hold onto their jobs/sanity, that's usually the environment where no one gets any help or cooperation. There are some really bad owners/managers out there! Seriously, some are only in the job through nepotism or luck.
OP as I read it you're already back home; you can leave this event off your CV and apply in other countries. Applying in Korea again will throw up flags, especially before your working visa ends.
But the grape seed oil is right next to the olive oil. |
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tremault
Joined: 25 Sep 2012
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Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 5:29 am Post subject: |
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Skippy, I appreciate your questions.
I can home right away.
I did mention earlier that there were other reasons. maybe I give the wrong reasons. what some people think is a lousy reason, others think is a perfectly fine reason. everyone has their own standard. me, I'm a Welsh boy and have certain expectations. We cant help what our expectations are, it's how we are raised.
I should also mention that I was fairly up front about my dyslexia and yet they expected me to learn the songs and stories on-the-fly whilst also having to read them upside-down. Perhaps this put me under a much larger amount of stress than other people. Also, I found the Jet lag difficult to shake since I didn't know if the water was safe to drink and I was not financially well off to buy a lot of bottled water. I don't know what kid of things I can tell people so they don't think my reasons are lousy, but there are lots and lots of reasons that all add up. I just wish people didn't judge me by their own expectations. If I could have stayed I would.
As it happens, I had worked for two days. the first day I was told vaguely what to do, the second day, I hardly saw anyone. I constantly had a doubt in the back of my mind whether I was doing it right and knew that if I didn't perform well enough they could fire me and I would be homeless with no money.
now, I am back in North Wales and I am focused on getting back into work here. I want to get a good job so I can pay back the debts I have incurred. I owe my best friend for paying my return flight and I owe the school.
I feel like I need to repeat, I intended to pay back the school. the topic here was the threat from the recruiter. |
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tremault
Joined: 25 Sep 2012
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Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 5:35 am Post subject: |
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| JustinC wrote: |
| I've been in some places where other NETs are just trying to hold onto their jobs/sanity, that's usually the environment where no one gets any help or cooperation. There are some really bad owners/managers out there! Seriously, some are only in the job through nepotism or luck. |
This is a possibility. the only contact I got from the other NET was when he passed me in the corridor, I tried to catch his eye for the umpteenth time to get an opening to introduce myself and all I got was a mumbled "y'aright-bud" before he turned the other direction and proceeded to punch the wall very hard as he turned the corner. I didn't really understand him but he seemed very agitated and maybe he was very stressed. |
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Skippy

Joined: 18 Jan 2003 Location: Daejeon
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Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 5:36 am Post subject: |
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Since you are back home (missed that piece of info) ignore the recruiter and school. They can not do anything to you since you are back home. If you want to pay them back then do so. Take how ever long you need and if the school complains tell them wait or to not get it at all. If it was me, I would not pay. Pay your friend back first
Korea might be no be doable for a while. You should check on that with immigration if you do look for a job. |
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busanliving
Joined: 29 Apr 2009
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Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 5:42 am Post subject: |
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You left after 2 days????
Seriously???
Basically you have cost your employer about a million in airfare, possible a heck of a lot more in lost income for the school and probably left all the other teachers in a complete mess.
You couldn't afford bottled water but you could afford a flight home? You came expecting to be looked after like a small child and when that didn't happen you acted like a small child. |
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tremault
Joined: 25 Sep 2012
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Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 6:04 am Post subject: |
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You couldn't afford bottled water but you could afford a flight home? You came expecting to be looked after like a small child and when that didn't happen you acted like a small child. |
Actually this is untrue. I didn't expect training from them to teach. I Thought about it a lot before going, about how I would approach teaching a class. I took storybooks and games with me to be prepared to find a way to teach the Children. The idea of training comes form the fact the school uses the 'grapeseed' system which I was unfamiliar with. they expected me to teach using their method, but I had not been trained in their method. If I was left to teach in my own way, I probably wouldn't have had an issue there. Also, I did not expect them to look after me in any other way. I expected to arrive and to be able to find a library or information centre or something. I was merely surprised when I asked my supervisor about the location of a library or information centre and she basically ignored the question. it's not like it was a taxing question. At the time, she was the only person around who spoke English. this was the first evening. I'm not blaming the school for not looking after me like a child. I suppose I was trying to give you guys rational reason for why I left because I thought you would benefit from that. I still don't fully understand the reason behind what happened. I just certainly don't need this amount of grief about how I handled what was for me a very difficult situation. I deal with certain situations differently from you. some things I find easy you may well find incredibly stressful. let's not compare notes on who's the better individual. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008 Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 6:08 am Post subject: |
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I've been on Dave's for a long LONG time and this is one of the most ridiculous posts I've ever seen. I checked back over your posts and it seems as if you did a lot of research into how to GET a job, not how to DO the job.
You knew that you were going to be teaching kids. Did you do ANY research at all about teaching kids? You mentioned that there were other foreigners at your school and they gave you "minimal direction". What??? Did you suppose that they were going to come in and show you how to teach?
YOU applied for a teaching position. This ASSUMES that you have at least SOME knowledge of teaching!!!
And what's with the "they didn't provide basic cooking equipment"?? Grow the (expletive deleted!) up!!! You need a pot? Go out and buy one!!!
And as to your foreign co-workers "ignoring" you...did YOU make an effort to talk to them??? I'm not a babysitter. When a new person comes to my school, if they have a specific question, I'm happy to help, but I'm not there to hold their hand!!
My advice: GROW THE (expletive deleted) UP!!! |
While this is harsh, it is also bang on.
OP, sorry but most of this falls squarely on your shoulders.
Seriously folks, it seems that the OP left after TWO days, not two weeks, not two months.
OP, I wish you luck in life because it seems you just might need it. It is a tough tough world out there and no one will hold your hand all the way through it.
What you did was crumble, pull a runner for no good reason and leave others (former co-workers) holding a huge bag of YOUR crap (covering your classes).
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ajuma

Joined: 18 Feb 2003 Location: Anywere but Seoul!!
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Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 6:10 am Post subject: |
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| The reason your employer ignored your question about a library/information center is because Koreans aren't programmed to say "I don't know." It's a cultural thing. To save face, "ignoring" the question is the best resort. |
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busanliving
Joined: 29 Apr 2009
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Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 6:27 am Post subject: |
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If you know you can't handle stress you shouldn't have come over here on someone else's money.
The teacher was probably confused why you wanted a library and its possible she had no idea about an information center.
You should pay back the money and offer a huge apology for effectively stealing from them. |
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Dodge7
Joined: 21 Oct 2011
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Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 6:43 am Post subject: |
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You can't blame the OP for not knowing how to teach and specifically teach the "Grapeseed" system which even I was even unfamiliar with. This is taken from their website:
WHAT IS INVOLVED IN THE TEACHER TRAINING?
Since GrapeSEED is a comprehensive learning system, it�s important to train teachers to make sure they are delivering the curriculum most effectively. A certified GrapeSEED instruction team will lead teachers through a five-day training course. The interactive, hands-on training covers the objectives of the various levels of the curriculum and shows teachers how they can customize
It seems you would need some training which the OP said was not offered. |
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tremault
Joined: 25 Sep 2012
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Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 6:48 am Post subject: |
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You can't blame the OP for not knowing how to teach and specifically teach the "Grapeseed" system which even I was even unfamiliar with. This is taken from their website:
WHAT IS INVOLVED IN THE TEACHER TRAINING?
Since GrapeSEED is a comprehensive learning system, it�s important to train teachers to make sure they are delivering the curriculum most effectively. A certified GrapeSEED instruction team will lead teachers through a five-day training course. The interactive, hands-on training covers the objectives of the various levels of the curriculum and shows teachers how they can customize
It seems you would need some training which the OP said was not offered. |
exactly.
Thanks for providing that. I recall reading something like that somewhere around the classroom or office. Thinking back, it was one of my bigger concerns. Its probably why at one point throughout a class I had a massive sinking feeling that I was not providing what the children needed. |
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tremault
Joined: 25 Sep 2012
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Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 6:52 am Post subject: |
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What you did was crumble, pull a runner for no good reason and leave others (former co-workers) holding a huge bag of YOUR crap (covering your classes). |
actually, there was a temp who was there while they waited for my visa to be sorted. she was worried that her temp contract would be ending that week. chances are, they will keep her on and so she may benefit from this situation. She was a good teacher too, her English was excellent. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008 Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 9:04 am Post subject: |
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| tremault wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
What you did was crumble, pull a runner for no good reason and leave others (former co-workers) holding a huge bag of YOUR crap (covering your classes). |
actually, there was a temp who was there while they waited for my visa to be sorted. she was worried that her temp contract would be ending that week. chances are, they will keep her on and so she may benefit from this situation. She was a good teacher too, her English was excellent. |
Sure thats all good. Good lord...
Did your contract specify you would get training & orientation?
If so, what were the terms of that contractual clause?
Was there a probationary period identified in your contract?
If you did run after 2 days, it is nearly certain you owe the school for airfare.
You did I assume learn something: you cannot handle a situation that requires you to act on your own and to go get what you need on your own. You need something that offers hand-holding in terms of training and support or you are unable to function. Consider that a lesson learned for your future job searches. |
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Skippy

Joined: 18 Jan 2003 Location: Daejeon
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Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 10:25 am Post subject: |
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Good Lord and to think many of these new people are university graduates.
What did you spend 4 years leaning? I thought university was to teach a person to think albeit in a certain area, but to think!... yes?
D Wilson is being rude, but he is spot on, well sort of on. Do not pay back the plane ticket. Well because if you could not handle Korea and a job for two days you sure as heck will likely not be back in the future. As long as you are not in Korea, the school or recruiter can not make a claim. |
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tremault
Joined: 25 Sep 2012
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Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 10:26 am Post subject: |
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edit: didn't see your post skippy, this reply is to last page
uhm... actually, I'm 32, have an IQ of 136, I have started my own business and run a fairly successful website.
It's just as I stated earlier. some situations, we deal well with, some situations we don't deal well with. we're all different in how we deal with specific scenarios.
PatrickGHBusan,
indeed the contract did contain the words "orientation days" which clearly implied more than one day of orientation.
I'll just quote
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Relocation and Orientation Time
The Employee will be allowed some time from the date of arrival in Korea, for adjustment and school orientation, before regular teaching duties.
Computation of initial pay period of the Employee will commence from the first teaching day.
The orientation days will be spent in the institute preparing for classes and learning the instructional system.
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